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funk master steven
post #181
20 July 2005, 00:51 UTC#181
dude punk, rap, techno, even pop

thats what give the differnt groups there flavor

like GMC always uses these corny pop songs
webby usually uses silent hill songs, and usually at a slower pace
Hollymood Entertainment
post #182
20 July 2005, 00:53 UTC#182
QUOTE([Lunatiks]Steve @ Jul 19 2005, 04:50 PM)
wow that song has all the wrong vibes and then some
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I thought the song would be good for a group that maybe has video of somebody quiting the homegrown crew. Just an idea.

Check out some of the other music they have. Some of their music will work and other songs won't. But don't worry, I'm getting more music either way.
Hollymood Entertainment
post #183
20 July 2005, 00:55 UTC#183
QUOTE(funk master steven @ Jul 19 2005, 04:51 PM)
dude punk, rap, techno, even pop

thats what give the differnt groups there flavor

like GMC always uses these corny pop songs
webby usually uses silent hill songs, and usually at a slower pace
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Is there any indy record labels that you guys suggest I contact in regards to getting music?

funk master steven
post #184
20 July 2005, 00:56 UTC#184
I will look into that

check out soundclick.com

they have a shit load of unsigned bands of all genres
DEX
post #185
20 July 2005, 01:14 UTC#185
Surely this contract should clearly state how the gross revenue is split up between groups, and that it is gross sales that the revenue represents.

Because if the contract doesnt clearly state how gross rev is split up. You could just put 50 clips from different people u know in. And then split it up evenly and most of the money goes to your friends who give it back to you.

But if u clearly stated that it is split up the way I sed then you cant fuck me over, and it will make muppets wanna send you as much good footage as possible in order to have a longer section and gain more money
ELLIOT
post #186
20 July 2005, 01:22 UTC#186
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Fact is several groups that are in the process of sending me footage or have sent footage and I'm waiting for it to arrive, didn't tell me their names. I do have some names saved but the fact that I'm juggling over 600 emails in my email box makes it difficult for me to find some group names.


I thought it was 20 groups.. Now its 4? Which one dude?

And how could you not get their names? Arent they going to get a plug? What sort of system do you have over there where you dont know whose footage you have? Then bullshit and say you have Retardz signed on?

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His editing isn't shown in depth on his website but I've seen a lot of good stuff from him offline, plus I'm friends with Jose so I can trust him with the production.


So basically your sacrificing a good edit to help your friend out with a job?

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I haven't really thought about how the gross revenue will be distributed yet.


What the fuck? How could you not have thought of it? This needs to be put in the contract before anyone signs it.

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Surely this contract should clearly state how the gross revenue is split up between groups, and that it is gross sales that the revenue represents.

Because if the contract doesnt clearly state how gross rev is split up. You could just put 50 clips from different people u know in. And then split it up evenly and most of the money goes to your friends who give it back to you.

But if u clearly stated that it is split up the way I sed then you cant fuck me over, and it will make muppets wanna send you as much good footage as possible in order to have a longer section and gain more money


Agree 100%.... This should be worked out before the cotract is to be signed.


I read over the contract.. It is the biggest peice of shit Ive ever seen. It looks like its been written by a 10 year old. Ill go over it and fix it up a bit later, I dont have much time today but dont anyone sign it yet.

Hollymood Entertainment
post #187
20 July 2005, 01:28 UTC#187
QUOTE(ELLIOT @ Jul 19 2005, 05:22 PM)
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Fact is several groups that are in the process of sending me footage or have sent footage and I'm waiting for it to arrive, didn't tell me their names. I do have some names saved but the fact that I'm juggling over 600 emails in my email box makes it difficult for me to find some group names.


I thought it was 20 groups.. Now its 4? Which one dude?

And how could you not get their names? Arent they going to get a plug? What sort of system do you have over there where you dont know whose footage you have? Then bullshit and say you have Retardz signed on?

All groups have been informed to include information with their submission that clearly states their website address and the name of the group.

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His editing isn't shown in depth on his website but I've seen a lot of good stuff from him offline, plus I'm friends with Jose so I can trust him with the production.


So basically your sacrificing a good edit to help your friend out with a job?

The guy doesn't need a job. He's a good editor and I want to work with him. It's as simple as that. If he couldn't do a good job, I wouldn't be working with him

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I haven't really thought about how the gross revenue will be distributed yet.


What the fuck? How could you not have thought of it? This needs to be put in the contract before anyone signs it.

In depth I haven't thought about this because I felt the way to do it was an even distribution of money between all groups involved.

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Surely this contract should clearly state how the gross revenue is split up between groups, and that it is gross sales that the revenue represents.

Because if the contract doesnt clearly state how gross rev is split up. You could just put 50 clips from different people u know in. And then split it up evenly and most of the money goes to your friends who give it back to you.

But if u clearly stated that it is split up the way I sed then you cant fuck me over, and it will make muppets wanna send you as much good footage as possible in order to have a longer section and gain more money


Agree 100%.... This should be worked out before the cotract is to be signed.

I read over the contract.. It is the biggest peice of shit Ive ever seen. It looks like its been written by a 10 year old. Ill go over it and fix it up a bit later, I dont have much time today but dont anyone sign it yet.
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I'll look over the contract when you add or change it up. Feel free to add a part about how the 30% of revenue would be distributed amongst the groups if you want.
DEX
post #188
20 July 2005, 01:30 UTC#188
Cheers. But can you specifically reply to my last post?

So that I can get some exact details, and hear your views.

Its just overall the contract seems very vague
Hollymood Entertainment
post #189
20 July 2005, 01:37 UTC#189
QUOTE(DEX @ Jul 19 2005, 05:14 PM)
Because if the contract doesnt clearly state how gross rev is split up. You could just put 50 clips from different people u know in. And then split it up evenly and most of the money goes to your friends who give it back to you.

But if u clearly stated that it is split up the way I sed then you cant fuck me over, and it will make muppets wanna send you as much good footage as possible in order to have a longer section and gain more money
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The goal here is to produce a respectable Homegrown DVD that would be something special. I wouldn't fuck it up by putting people I know in it to prevent me from having to pay you guys. I understand what you're logic is but I wouldn't do anything like that.

Your point makes sense though and it will make the best groups with the most quality footage more money. Before when we talked about this on the board, I had the feeling that you guys wanted an even split between the groups. Elliot is welcome to add a clause in the contract that explains this.

The way I figure it is like this. The amount of time each group is featured will be figured as a percentage of all homegrown footage, minus the credits and plugs or whatever isn't footage submitted to me. Then that % of homegrown footage from one group will be taken as the % out of the money for the homegrown groups involved.

So for example, lets say the Homegrown footage in the dvd runs 200 minutes, and muppets has a 20 minute block of time, that would equal out into 10% of the footage on the DVD, so muppets would recieve 10% of the revenue that goes to the groups.
Hollymood Entertainment
post #190
20 July 2005, 01:39 UTC#190
QUOTE(funk master steven @ Jul 19 2005, 04:56 PM)
I will look into that

check out soundclick.com

they have a shit load of unsigned bands of all genres
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I'm going to be using MySpace Music. It's much faster to contact musical groups this way.
DEX
post #191
20 July 2005, 01:42 UTC#191
QUOTE(Hollymood Entertainment @ Jul 20 2005, 02:37 AM)
QUOTE(DEX @ Jul 19 2005, 05:14 PM)
Because if the contract doesnt clearly state how gross rev is split up. You could just put 50 clips from different people u know in. And then split it up evenly and most of the money goes to your friends who give it back to you.

But if u clearly stated that it is split up the way I sed then you cant fuck me over, and it will make muppets wanna send you as much good footage as possible in order to have a longer section and gain more money
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The goal here is to produce a respectable Homegrown DVD that would be something special. I wouldn't fuck it up by putting people I know in it to prevent me from having to pay you guys. I understand what you're logic is but I wouldn't do anything like that.

Your point makes sense though and it will make the best groups with the most quality footage more money. Before when we talked about this on the board, I had the feeling that you guys wanted an even split between the groups. Elliot is welcome to add a clause in the contract that explains this.

The way I figure it is like this. The amount of time each group is featured will be figured as a percentage of all homegrown footage, minus the credits and plugs or whatever isn't footage submitted to me. Then that % of homegrown footage from one group will be taken as the % out of the money for the homegrown groups involved.

So for example, lets say the Homegrown footage in the dvd runs 200 minutes, and muppets has a 20 minute block of time, that would equal out into 10% of the footage on the DVD, so muppets would recieve 10% of the revenue that goes to the groups.
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Well Im glad you agree, this shit just needs to be in the contract now, and surely legally u have to change it?

Imjust worried that this dvd is gonna get made and doesnt sell.

How can you garuntee this will sell?
fenix
post #192
20 July 2005, 01:49 UTC#192
Myspace Music is such a good idea, Ive never thought of that. Thank you.
DEX
post #193
20 July 2005, 01:51 UTC#193
IM WAY AHEAD OF YA. fOR OUR DVD WE HAVE ALOT OF GOOD UNSIGNED BANDS
ELLIOT
post #194
20 July 2005, 01:52 UTC#194
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I'll look over the contract when you add or change it up.

I really dont see why I should come and fix up all your fuck ups. You know exactly whats wrong with the contract. It is proabably the worst Ive ever seen. Ill do it for the groups but there's so much stuff missing it isnt funny.

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understand what you're logic is but I wouldn't do anything like that.

Sorry, talks cheap... In this industry everything has to be in writing.. You know that.
Hollymood Entertainment
post #195
20 July 2005, 01:53 UTC#195
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Well Im glad you agree, this shit just needs to be in the contract now, and surely legally u have to change it?

Imjust worried that this dvd is gonna get made and doesnt sell.

How can you garuntee this will sell?
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I have a lot of connections in the DVD business, distributors, entertainment lawyers, distribution Australia, distribution in Europe. It will sell. The hard part of my job is getting the best groups involved. The better the groups involved are, the better the footage in the DVD will be and the more interested the distributors will be. The DVD will be selling everywhere, most major stores, all over the internet like Amazon.com, DeepDiscountDVD.com, etc and there's also the possibility that it will be distributed through a company that runs commercials on channels like USA, Spike TV, etc and people order it through an 800 number or website. I'm confident it will sell.
DEX
post #196
20 July 2005, 01:57 UTC#196
[quote=Hollymood Entertainment,Jul 20 2005, 02:53 AM]
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Well Im glad you agree, this shit just needs to be in the contract now, and surely legally u have to change it?

Imjust worried that this dvd is gonna get made and doesnt sell.

How can you garuntee this will sell?
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I have a lot of connections in the DVD business, distributors, entertainment lawyers, distribution Australia, distribution in Europe. It will sell. The hard part of my job is getting the best groups involved. The better the groups involved are, the better the footage in the DVD will be and the more interested the distributors will be. The DVD will be selling everywhere, most major stores, all over the internet like Amazon.com, DeepDiscountDVD.com, etc and there's also the possibility that it will be distributed through a company that runs commercials on channels like USA, Spike TV, etc and people order it through an 800 number or website. I'm confident it will sell.
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My dvd will be sold in macdonalds

Just cos I say that doesnt mean it will be.


Give me evidence that it will, how many copies of that wrestling vid have u sold? what shops is that sold in? How much were u apart of it?

Give me some names
funk master steven
post #197
20 July 2005, 01:58 UTC#197
QUOTE(ELLIOT @ Jul 20 2005, 01:52 AM)
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I'll look over the contract when you add or change it up.

I really dont see why I should come and fix up all your fuck ups. You know exactly whats wrong with the contract. It is proabably the worst Ive ever seen. Ill do it for the groups but there's so much stuff missing it isnt funny.

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understand what you're logic is but I wouldn't do anything like that.

Sorry, talks cheap... In this industry everything has to be in writing.. You know that.
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I was thinking the exact same thing

you seem to be a cool dude but you just don't seem to know what the fuck your doing

Hollymood Entertainment
post #198
20 July 2005, 02:12 UTC#198
[quote=DEX,Jul 19 2005, 05:57 PM]
[quote=Hollymood Entertainment,Jul 20 2005, 02:53 AM]
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Well Im glad you agree, this shit just needs to be in the contract now, and surely legally u have to change it?

Imjust worried that this dvd is gonna get made and doesnt sell.

How can you garuntee this will sell?
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[/quote]

I have a lot of connections in the DVD business, distributors, entertainment lawyers, distribution Australia, distribution in Europe. It will sell. The hard part of my job is getting the best groups involved. The better the groups involved are, the better the footage in the DVD will be and the more interested the distributors will be. The DVD will be selling everywhere, most major stores, all over the internet like Amazon.com, DeepDiscountDVD.com, etc and there's also the possibility that it will be distributed through a company that runs commercials on channels like USA, Spike TV, etc and people order it through an 800 number or website. I'm confident it will sell.
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My dvd will be sold in macdonalds

Just cos I say that doesnt mean it will be.


Give me evidence that it will, how many copies of that wrestling vid have u sold? what shops is that sold in? How much were u apart of it?

Give me some names
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I'm not trying to sell the wrestling video in stores yet. I've had distributors make me offers but I'm doing fine selling it solo so I'm not interested in it being in stores yet so with this DVD I couldn't give you names.

With this Homegrown DVD, it is being made to specifically sell in stores. I'll have some copies for sell online but that won't be a priority because it will be sold online at Amazon.com and elsewhere.

Warner Bros in Australia will be releasing my DVDs and might possibly release them in Europe as well. In N. America, distribution is open to several companies, whoever makes the best offer. The entertainment lawyer can get it a good deal or I can approach distributors myself. I also have distribution contacts for Mexico but that market isn't very profitable. PPV is an option in the USA and also in Canada, I'm in contact with people at InDemand and I have a business associate up in Canada that already has productions airing on PPV up there and he can arrange me deals for PPV in Canada. There are several outlets which the production can be released and several different revenue streams.


Hollymood Entertainment
post #199
20 July 2005, 02:16 UTC#199
LOL, I know what I'm doing. The release form that Elliot doesn't like was a release form I got from another production company that has released over 20 DVDs, so it's obviously a decent contract.

I know what I'm doing, been doing it for over 5 years. Keep in mind that I'm constantly being bombarded with questions here (which isn't a problem) so I answer quick and to the point. Plus, no offense, working with you guys and a contract is different than working with other people because your overly protective, which isn't a problem, so of course you are going to want things changed up.
funk master steven
post #200
20 July 2005, 02:22 UTC#200
QUOTE(Hollymood Entertainment @ Jul 20 2005, 02:16 AM)
LOL, I know what I'm doing.  The release form that Elliot doesn't like was a release form I got from another production company that has released over 20 DVDs, so it's obviously a decent contract.

I know what I'm doing, been doing it for over 5 years.  Keep in mind that I'm constantly being bombarded with questions here (which isn't a problem) so I answer quick and to the point.  Plus, no offense, working with you guys and a contract is different than working with other people because your overly protective, which isn't a problem, so of course you are going to want things changed up.
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if you knew what you were doing than why didn't you make a contract that was custom made to this unique situation

even if you didn't relize we would be like this in the beging you should have changed it when you relized

also I would rather have "real" and "correct" answers thatn "fast" answers, but maybe thats just me

ELLIOT
post #201
20 July 2005, 02:31 UTC#201
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I'm not trying to sell the wrestling video in stores yet. I've had distributors make me offers but I'm doing fine selling it solo so I'm not interested in it being in stores

So you made a DVD.. And you dont want to sell it in stores? Why not? It sounds like no one wants to take it to tell you the truth, not the other way around.

Maybe if you sold it in stores you'd have enough money to license the footage with upfront money like every other producer around the world does.

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LOL, I know what I'm doing. The release form that Elliot doesn't like was a release form I got from another production company that has released over 20 DVDs, so it's obviously a decent contract.


No, its one I just recieved from a member of these boards that is relevant to this deal. Its not 2 years old.. And I dont think its an exact copy of the one this "production company" was using.. Sure, you may have taken segments from it, but I can almost gauruntee you've taken bits out and deleted bits.
funk master steven
post #202
20 July 2005, 02:34 UTC#202
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Maybe if you sold it in stores you'd have enough money to license the footage with upfront money like every other producer around the world does.

Hollymood Entertainment
post #203
20 July 2005, 02:42 UTC#203
I give you real and correct answers.

The DVD will be sold in stores soon enough but I'm not rushing it and yes there is interest from distributors. The future productions like this DVD are being made to sell in the stores.
ELLIOT
post #204
20 July 2005, 02:49 UTC#204
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Warner Bros in Australia will be releasing my DVDs


Again you're bullshitting. Last week you said that you had a contact there that was going to have a look at this thing. Now you're saying that "They're releasing it"?

How the hell can a major distributor agree to release a title it hasnt reviewed yet? It doesnt happen. Pull your head out of the clouds for one second and realise that the more you bullshit here the more Im going to pull you up on things.

Hollymood Entertainment
post #205
20 July 2005, 02:56 UTC#205
QUOTE(ELLIOT @ Jul 19 2005, 06:49 PM)
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Warner Bros in Australia will be releasing my DVDs


Again you're bullshitting. Last week you said that you had a contact there that was going to have a look at this thing. Now you're saying that "They're releasing it"?

How the hell can a major distributor agree to release a title it hasnt reviewed yet? It doesnt happen. Pull your head out of the clouds for one second and realise that the more you bullshit here the more Im going to pull you up on things.
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Elliot, they have reviewed the DVD and they know about my future DVD productions. I'm not bullshitting and I know hell of a lot more about what is happening in my life, my business and my deals than you do. You shouldn't comment on things you know nothing about, pretending to know everything.
made
post #206
20 July 2005, 02:58 UTC#206
Can you give us some proof that they have taken some interest in this, like a letter of some sort?
Hollymood Entertainment
post #207
20 July 2005, 03:00 UTC#207
QUOTE(MADE @ Jul 19 2005, 06:58 PM)
Can you give us some proof that they have taken some interest in this, like a letter of some sort?
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They will be releasing my recent production, and they have showed interest in this production, as well as my behind the scenes documentary of the porn industry and my next wrestling documentary. They pretty much left it off saying, "we'll want to release that in Australia and New Zealand" and I am also now brokering deals for their company to acqure and distribute other productions for Australia and New Zealand.
funk master steven
post #208
20 July 2005, 03:00 UTC#208
QUOTE(Hollymood Entertainment @ Jul 20 2005, 02:56 AM)
QUOTE(ELLIOT @ Jul 19 2005, 06:49 PM)
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Warner Bros in Australia will be releasing my DVDs


Again you're bullshitting. Last week you said that you had a contact there that was going to have a look at this thing. Now you're saying that "They're releasing it"?

How the hell can a major distributor agree to release a title it hasnt reviewed yet? It doesnt happen. Pull your head out of the clouds for one second and realise that the more you bullshit here the more Im going to pull you up on things.
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Elliot, they have reviewed the DVD and they know about my future DVD productions. I'm not bullshitting and I know hell of a lot more about what is happening in my life, my business and my deals than you do. You shouldn't comment on things you know nothing about, pretending to know everything.
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so there giving you good faith money from your previouse projects ?
ELLIOT
post #209
20 July 2005, 03:01 UTC#209
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Elliot, they have reviewed the DVD


How the hell could they have reviewed it when you havent even made it yet?

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You shouldn't comment on things you know nothing about, pretending to know everything.


I dont comment on things I dont know about.. But when it comes to producing, licenses and term agreements I would like to think I know a fair bit after working in the industry for 4 years.
Hollymood Entertainment
post #210
20 July 2005, 03:03 UTC#210
QUOTE(funk master steven @ Jul 19 2005, 07:00 PM)
so there giving you good faith money from your previouse projects ?
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You can call it that if you want. Pretty much, I'm a business partner with them now. I've hit it off with the people I'm dealing with in the company and they're excited about what I'm bringing to the table, such as my productions and other people's productions.