Getting involved in the new Homegrown DVD project

honestly it's not scary it's hg to media relations, like the white man and indians hg and the media have always had problems



yeah I dig what your saying man and I agree read both sides make your own desicion

Fuck it, I'd rather sell my footage to 20/20 or something.
Real gangsters don't need distribution.

I hope they do read my posts. Im not just starting trouble for the sake of it. It pisses me off that this guy can come in here with a shit deal and try to rip groups off.

All of you groups have worked hard and got some awesome content, dont sell yourselves cheap. This guy just wants your footage, then he may give you 50 bucks 2 years down the track and keep 99% of the money. Money that he made off your backs.

I say again, dont anyone go into one on one emails with this guy, he is good with words and will scam you very quickly. Keep it out in the open and keep your points coming.

As I said, I put in a few points in the license that he needs to look at to make it look "less" dodgy than it is and he didnt even reply to any of the points I raised.

Michael, Im not paranoid.. But when a producer offeres a total budget of 10% off "NET" profit in return for a WHOLE dvd full of content I smell bullshit and ripoff. You know as well as me you should be offering a lot more than that.

see even if he changed the contract the fact that he put that in there knowing it was a shit deal makes me not want to believe or work with this guy

elliot, just wondering how much profit you guys made off of the foul play release?

I suggest you guys give suggestions as to how I can make the deal workable and good for you guys. I want every group in here involved in the production. All I ask is that you guys be fair with your requests but share your suggestions.

I would raise the 10% to at least 20-25%

Tell me first off how much both of your parents earned last year.

Dude, we're not driving ferraris, put it that way.



I did.. Offer 40% of gross and a 3 year license. 1 DVD production.

so the harem of naked pancake making whences is out of the question?

how about the 40% gross profits that elliot mentioned

will there be any further merchandising because we should get a peice of that as well

also you should keep up with paying the groups we shouldn't have to contact you or your employs unless we arn't being paid on time

Quarterly royalty statements posted to all groups involved "hard copy"

This will include all units sold and where.

40% is too high, 20% - 25% is at least realistic.

I'm not releasing anything else other than the DVD in terms of merchandis.

I will keep in touch and update all groups with how the DVD is going and the money but they need to supply me with all their contact info, email, and a phone number would help as well in case an email account goes out of use. Other than that I can post the info on the board as well.

I'll share my royalty statements, I don't care about that at all. I have nothing to hide from anybody.

what if you sell the rights to the dvd deal to like xeg, what would happen then

40% is not too high.

Whats your projected stats on this project if completed? What volumes are you hoping to move? Whats the wholesale price? What is your market? Core or Traditional?

I think hes right. Without the groups involved its nothing. So they should get there cash.

As you said you need all the groups... So work for them.

I wouldn't sell the rights to the DVD to XEG. I rather get my own distribution deals, I don't need them.

Other than that, I can't go higher than 25% due to production costs, legal fees - lawyers, then the entertainment lawyer takes a % for getting it distribution. I seriously can't go higher than that.

im just saying the debt became crippling or some crap if you sold the rights to someone else what would happen

There won't be any debt. There won't be any problems like this. If worse came to worse and I sold the rights (which will never happen) I would still give you guys 20-25%.

It's unprofessional. This is how I run my show. Contracts serve one purpose, to cover the owners ass. You dont give the participant any rights. When our hookers request certain terms, (IE they want their face blurred out)...we work on a good faith basis. We give them our word. We dont change our contract for them. They are the participant. If they dont like it, they dont participate. Although Moody's situation is obviously a bit different. But you get the idea.

His contract is indeed non-exlusive. Although it's unspecific as to what projects he's using that footage for...im sure he would add that on if someone asked.

The 10% profit share is sketchy. No one should be doing this for the money. Do it for the plug. Profit shares are complicated. If money is a big issue here, I reccomend that Moody buys footage up front from the groups he has chosen to use. Based on how much Bumfights offers...I think he should pay $100-$300 per 5 minutes of footage used.

I am just going to save my self the trouble and not send you any thing

is that in the contract or is that your word?

lol... I beleve the prefur the term prostatute

id be cool with 100-200 per five minuts of footage

if it blows up like he thinks it will, which im not shure of, it would be worth the money, and the groups would get paid as well

and weak there is a difference between you paying hookers to fuck on film and people giving up there footage for money

but it was a funny analogy

I don't think weak cares much

weak, what you said makes a lot of sense about the money issure, I think it would get rid of alot of these problems.

I was just surprised he changed his contract for you. I wouldnt have done that. But then again....he is coming here and asking us for our footgage. Your not going to him. So that changes the tables around.

exactly, when you do your dvds it's mostly you filming footage

his dvd is soley based on the footage of other groups thats why his contract should flex or mold to fit the "reasonable" demands of the groups

Both, you would still recieve the agreed %

Are you still bitching about your dvd?