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post #40,141
12 March 2009, 02:28 UTC#40,141
who remembers back in the day how WKH used to post nonstop and then disapear for ayear then come back with loads more posts then would disapear again.........



where the fuck is he again? lol
post #40,142
12 March 2009, 02:33 UTC#40,142
heard he is back on HG.V and playin computer games
post #40,144
12 March 2009, 06:38 UTC#40,144
QUOTE(ILL-FILMZ @ Mar 11 2009, 06:28 PM) [snapback]539203[/snapback]

who remembers back in the day how WKH used to post nonstop and then disapear for ayear then come back with loads more posts then would disapear again.........



where the fuck is he again? lol


was about to point that out, he pretty much has done that since the beginning.
post #40,145
12 March 2009, 09:50 UTC#40,145
Think about it.

Are mathematical theories and established rules or methods "discovered?" Or is math simply a language created by the human mind, set against an imagined perfect circumstance? If it's the latter, then what can explain the extreme accuracy and infinite duplication of results that can come from simple mathematical facts.

Take for instance the Pythagorean Theorem (A squared plus B squared equals C squared). No matter what happens, that theory will hold to be true. And this theory has been applied to countless instances of architecture, fusion, anywhere there is triangulation, that "discovery," or "theory," has been used as the very basis of measurement. And it has been precisely accurate EVERY time. Now, did Pythagoras "discover" this idea? Or, did he "create" it? If he DISCOVERED it, then that means that there is some sort of mathematical order to the world that is simply waiting to be uncovered and postulated. Whereas, if he CREATED it, then what's to say we can't simply create new mathematical ideals and base our logic and reason on those?

Math's always been viewed from our rigid and incomplete mindsets about how things operate. If we free our minds from the idea that the world works in such an automatic fashion, then we can start to see the potential in human creation. If we can create math, then what are the limits? Unless, of course, Math isn't just a set up principles reasoned against an imagined perfect world. But then again, that would mean God's just a crazy mathematician.
post #40,146
12 March 2009, 09:52 UTC#40,146
QUOTE(cIRca @ Mar 11 2009, 09:19 AM) [snapback]538990[/snapback]

Waiting on a call in the next hour which will tell me if I get lots of ££££.

Took a day and an hour but yussss. Image file not present in the recovered backup
post #40,147
12 March 2009, 10:16 UTC#40,147
QUOTE(Ray @ Mar 12 2009, 09:50 AM) [snapback]539255[/snapback]

Think about it.

Are mathematical theories and established rules or methods "discovered?" Or is math simply a language created by the human mind, set against an imagined perfect circumstance? If it's the latter, then what can explain the extreme accuracy and infinite duplication of results that can come from simple mathematical facts.

Take for instance the Pythagorean Theorem (A squared plus B squared equals C squared). No matter what happens, that theory will hold to be true. And this theory has been applied to countless instances of architecture, fusion, anywhere there is triangulation, that "discovery," or "theory," has been used as the very basis of measurement. And it has been precisely accurate EVERY time. Now, did Pythagoras "discover" this idea? Or, did he "create" it? If he DISCOVERED it, then that means that there is some sort of mathematical order to the world that is simply waiting to be uncovered and postulated. Whereas, if he CREATED it, then what's to say we can't simply create new mathematical ideals and base our logic and reason on those?

Math's always been viewed from our rigid and incomplete mindsets about how things operate. If we free our minds from the idea that the world works in such an automatic fashion, then we can start to see the potential in human creation. If we can create math, then what are the limits? Unless, of course, Math isn't just a set up principles reasoned against an imagined perfect world. But then again, that would mean God's just a crazy mathematician.

Realism and antirealism, second year Philosophy. Are the structures of numbers, science, morality and so on mind-independent and intrinsically a part of the universe; or are they products of our empirical observations?

A good way to think about it is trying to imagine if Pythagoras' theorem would still be true if there had never been any humans in the universe. Now, I'm inclined to say that it would be. Even if there were never any right-angled triangles it would still be "true" - let's say in a blank, featureless universe - the fact remains that if there WERE a triangle, Pythagoras' theorem would apply to that hypothetical shape.
post #40,148
12 March 2009, 10:24 UTC#40,148
And if so, what's the reasoning behind that, poppa Liam? TELL ME A STORY!

Nah, it's just painfully interesting to think about the possibilities there, and what we attribute these intrinsic universal rules. Dare I say the "G" word? Or is there simply more math that explains the other math?
post #40,149
12 March 2009, 10:25 UTC#40,149
Or just don't think about it and do something more worthwhile.

BOOM.
post #40,150
12 March 2009, 10:36 UTC#40,150
Meh, not at 6am I'm not doing anything better.
post #40,151
12 March 2009, 10:39 UTC#40,151
Philosophy is like looking at this picture:

External image not preserved — inspect source: http://www.nobeliefs.com/puzzles/old-young-woman.jpg

Sure it could be an old woman, it could be a young woman. There are many different ways of looking at it and everyone can take something different from it. But it's still a shit picture.

Whereas if you were to look at this picture:

IPB Image

And you spent the same amount of time and effort analysing this picture you would see that not only is she a young woman, but she also has massive tits.

Thats what maths has taught me.
post #40,152
12 March 2009, 10:46 UTC#40,152
QUOTE(Ray @ Mar 12 2009, 10:24 AM) [snapback]539266[/snapback]

And if so, what's the reasoning behind that, poppa Liam? TELL ME A STORY!

Well, you would be inclined to accept that every right-angled triangle abides by Pythagoras' law, right? So now let's imagine a universe made only of triangles, and no humans. P's theorem would still be true, even if no one noticed it or brought it up, but it would still be present in the universe, governing the lengths of all the sides of the countless triangles. It merely fell to a human observer to notice that intrinsic property and take the time to write it down.

QUOTE(Ray @ Mar 12 2009, 10:24 AM) [snapback]539266[/snapback]

Nah, it's just painfully interesting to think about the possibilities there, and what we attribute these intrinsic universal rules. Dare I say the "G" word? Or is there simply more math that explains the other math?

You wouldn't be the first antirealist about maths if you so chose. I've got a whole VERY INTERESTING book on the subject. One argument I can think of off the top of my head goes something like: you can have two things, but you can never have two. There's no such thing as "a two" outside of our minds, but we go along blindly thinking that two is something that exists in the world. In fact it doesn't. Naturally you can apply this thinking to pretty much all facets of maths but you only need to prove that numbers don't really exist to effectively cut the balls off any logical mathematical thinking.

Personally, maths is one of those things that's out there in some form or another. The only thing we invented is the system of language and symbols which enables us to understand the chaos. There's a theory that describes the idea of a "convenient lie"; that is, we have no real knowledge of what we mean by "maths" in the greater scheme of things, but the language and concepts we use now - however inferior - do their job well enough for us to live our lives. Make of that what you will: depressingly resigned to our own ignorance, or is a lie truly enough for us to not worry about it any more?
post #40,153
12 March 2009, 10:49 UTC#40,153
QUOTE(cIRca @ Mar 12 2009, 12:39 PM) [snapback]539270[/snapback]

Philosophy is like looking at this picture:

External image not preserved — inspect source: http://www.nobeliefs.com/puzzles/old-young-woman.jpg

Sure it could be an old woman, it could be a young woman. There are many different ways of looking at it and everyone can take something different from it. But it's still a shit picture.

Whereas if you were to look at this picture:

IPB Image

And you spent the same amount of time and effort analysing this picture you would see that not only is she a young woman, but she also has massive tits.

Thats what maths has taught me.

Hahahah, nice one. I have to steal this. I have so many friends that are majoring in philosophy and sometimes its pretty damn frustrating to speak with them. So Im going to print these two pictures to same page and explain what we should analyse and why. And maybe after that concentrate on something important, like playing videogames and drinking beer.
post #40,154
12 March 2009, 10:54 UTC#40,154
QUOTE(ILL-FILMZ @ Mar 12 2009, 04:28 AM) [snapback]539203[/snapback]

who remembers back in the day how WKH used to post nonstop and then disapear for ayear then come back with loads more posts then would disapear again.........



where the fuck is he again? lol


Lol, did'nt even notice that until now.
post #40,155
12 March 2009, 11:04 UTC#40,155
QUOTE(Liam @ Mar 12 2009, 05:46 AM) [snapback]539271[/snapback]

QUOTE(Ray @ Mar 12 2009, 10:24 AM) [snapback]539266[/snapback]

And if so, what's the reasoning behind that, poppa Liam? TELL ME A STORY!

Well, you would be inclined to accept that every right-angled triangle abides by Pythagoras' law, right? So now let's imagine a universe made only of triangles, and no humans. P's theorem would still be true, even if no one noticed it or brought it up, but it would still be present in the universe, governing the lengths of all the sides of the countless triangles. It merely fell to a human observer to notice that intrinsic property and take the time to write it down.

QUOTE(Ray @ Mar 12 2009, 10:24 AM) [snapback]539266[/snapback]

Nah, it's just painfully interesting to think about the possibilities there, and what we attribute these intrinsic universal rules. Dare I say the "G" word? Or is there simply more math that explains the other math?

You wouldn't be the first antirealist about maths if you so chose. I've got a whole VERY INTERESTING book on the subject. One argument I can think of off the top of my head goes something like: you can have two things, but you can never have two. There's no such thing as "a two" outside of our minds, but we go along blindly thinking that two is something that exists in the world. In fact it doesn't. Naturally you can apply this thinking to pretty much all facets of maths but you only need to prove that numbers don't really exist to effectively cut the balls off any logical mathematical thinking.

Personally, maths is one of those things that's out there in some form or another. The only thing we invented is the system of language and symbols which enables us to understand the chaos. There's a theory that describes the idea of a "convenient lie"; that is, we have no real knowledge of what we mean by "maths" in the greater scheme of things, but the language and concepts we use now - however inferior - do their job well enough for us to live our lives. Make of that what you will: depressingly resigned to our own ignorance, or is a lie truly enough for us to not worry about it any more?


I should just switch majors (again) over to philosophy. This shit is intriguing. Come visit me, Lemon. We can talk about the universe and carve our own special place in it, just for us.
post #40,156
12 March 2009, 11:09 UTC#40,156
Didnt you read Toms post? It proves that one shouldnt bother with philosophy.
post #40,157
12 March 2009, 11:16 UTC#40,157
QUOTE(vode @ Mar 12 2009, 12:49 PM) [snapback]539272[/snapback]

QUOTE(cIRca @ Mar 12 2009, 12:39 PM) [snapback]539270[/snapback]

Philosophy is like looking at this picture:

External image not preserved — inspect source: http://www.nobeliefs.com/puzzles/old-young-woman.jpg

Sure it could be an old woman, it could be a young woman. There are many different ways of looking at it and everyone can take something different from it. But it's still a shit picture.

Whereas if you were to look at this picture:

IPB Image

And you spent the same amount of time and effort analysing this picture you would see that not only is she a young woman, but she also has massive tits.

Thats what maths has taught me.

Hahahah, nice one. I have to steal this. I have so many friends that are majoring in philosophy and sometimes its pretty damn frustrating to speak with them. So Im going to print these two pictures to same page and explain what we should analyse and why. And maybe after that concentrate on something important, like playing videogames and drinking beer.

Filosofi Rossi
post #40,158
12 March 2009, 16:07 UTC#40,158
QUOTE(Ray @ Mar 12 2009, 11:04 AM) [snapback]539279[/snapback]

I should just switch majors (again) over to philosophy. This shit is intriguing. Come visit me, Lemon. We can talk about the universe and carve our own special place in it, just for us.

I'll bring the pipes and tobacco, you set up the fireplace and commission two young Philippino boys to act as our footstools. By thunder, we shall have a debate for the ages, what ho.
post #40,159
12 March 2009, 16:26 UTC#40,159
"Squaring numbers is just like women, if they're under 13, just do them in your head."

Anyone watch any videos from that Bo Burnham guy? He can have some pretty funny one-liners.
post #40,160
12 March 2009, 16:32 UTC#40,160
QUOTE(cIRca @ Mar 12 2009, 05:39 AM) [snapback]539270[/snapback]

IPB Image



moar
post #40,161
12 March 2009, 16:36 UTC#40,161
Image file not present in the recovered backup
post #40,162
12 March 2009, 16:43 UTC#40,162
wish that pic was better quality. but shes proper mate. I might stare at it all day
post #40,163
12 March 2009, 16:45 UTC#40,163
She was never that hot in school either, nice girl though.
post #40,164
12 March 2009, 17:35 UTC#40,164
sofia?
post #40,165
12 March 2009, 21:19 UTC#40,165
I got cIRca and made in my sites.

back to claim what was always mine.
post #40,166
12 March 2009, 22:29 UTC#40,166
Almost to 20 grand, you worthless person. :happy:

Edit - Circa's got you beat, though. His ass posted a lot over at HGV too I hear. I mean, combine that shit and he's fucking mythical.
post #40,167
12 March 2009, 22:31 UTC#40,167
my ex / gf (I dont even know what we are anymore) is such a dick hahaha.
post #40,168
12 March 2009, 22:34 UTC#40,168
She done?
post #40,169
12 March 2009, 22:39 UTC#40,169
Pics! :D
post #40,170
12 March 2009, 22:41 UTC#40,170
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