Workouts And Workout Products

Creatine gives you more energy to lift more weight.
Protein gives you what you need to build muscle.

Both of these are natural. You don't need to take supplements at all to grow, a good diet is all you need. However, supplements make it easier to get protein into your body amongst other things that help you to grow after working out. All you need to get big is: train > eat > rest.

If you are looking for a good supplement, get Maximuscle Cyclone. It has a mix of everything you need and its real expensive, but it will do the job.

I used to be the same way minus the fiance thing, but honestly, I got addicted to the feeling I get after a good workout.

That, and like Mr Brown said, having good music to listen to during a workout really helps a lot.

Are you really trying to debate a joke?

Yeah come on, lets all laugh at the lactating men.

I just started to try and take my workout serious, so far I broke it into three days

day 1 - chest,biceps,triceps
day 2 - shoulders (delts??),back
day 3 - legs,abs

soon hockey practice will start so ill have a sweet 5 day program to work around that includes alot of cardio, plus all the tournaments and such, so hopefully ill get into real good shape

Try this:

day 1 - chest, shoulders ,triceps
day 2 - biceps, traps, back
day 3 - legs, abs

This routine uses muscles that will be connected some way in each workout. For example, if you do bench one day to do your chest yet and intend to do your shoulders and triceps the next day, you will find that your tris and shoulders will be tired, because you used them in the bench press. So throw all muscles that work together into one routine.

Its kinda like push and pull. Day 1 is pushing excercises, day 2 are the pulling excercises. Roughly.

Some more pointers:

You can do abs any day. And remember to train the lower back as musch as your abs.. you will lose your posture if you dont train your lowerback (and back in general).


It's much harder to lose fat on the gym than to gain muscle.

Imo. dont focus on going to the gym if you want to lose weight...
A good disciplined, healthy diet and lost and lots of out door exercise will do the trick.

err there are a lot of myths here

Protein is so much in your natural diet that its not really need to for muscle growth, you want a little in your supplament (post exercise) but its more important to get gylcagen replenishment.
THe best thing you can get is something with tonnes of Glutamic acid (L-glutamine) for muscle recovery, carbs for glycagen replenishment, about 16g of protein per serve and a decent range of amino acids.

Don't bother talking to people at gyms or vitamin stores, they know fuck all and sell you all low carb protein mixes.. it's useless.

Get yourself something called co-enzyme Q10 it's far more effective than anything else, forget about creatine.
Another good product out there is Tribulus, it's pretty cool, basically encourages testosterone. So take that daily (you'll get agro and horny, so basically most days you'll be trying to score with women or fight, but it's all cool)

so in summary

A protein/carb mix with A LOT of glutamic acid
maltidextrin/fructose content for carbs (fucking glycagen replenishment!!)
and a range of amino acids
(my reccomendation if you can get it, is Endura Optimiser and Endura Maintain. I mix the 2 together and it's unreal)
These products also help you convert fat into energy.. so you can cut up nice too.

Tribulus (something with a high dosage at least 8000mg)

Co-enzyme q10 you might have to get this from a chemist, but it basically gives you heaps more energy for longer periods of time.


I also reccomend heaps of fresh fruit in your daily diet plus adequete amounts of protein.

I am a cycling coach, I train people for all kinds of different types of riding, so I need to know about weight gaining, fat loss, energy drinks/foods and everything in between.
I also have been riding/racing bikes at a national level for about 10 years, with some dabling at an international level.
People like personal trainers will deny the shit I'm saying, but I'm 100% correct. I know my shit here...

I hope this is of help. Steer clear of all the gymics, all these products claiming all this bullshit. Keep it simple. You're body works one way, and you can only make it do so much. If you have any questions just ask me..

p.s forgive me if my spelling is wrong on some of the techy words I never normally have to write them down haha

Could some mod move this thread here:

http://homegrownforums.com/index.php?showtopic=9000

There are many different techniques of gaining muscle mate, I know people that are huge that don't follow one technique you are suggesting. I'm not saying you are wrong, just that other sources arn't entirely incorrect as you claim.

P.S. There is no supported evidence that Tribulus enhances your testosterone levels, testosterone directly controls the amount of muscle you will pack on provided the other factors are right, tribulus just stimulates androgen receptors in the brain, hence the horniness.

I would, but the 5 pages makes me think people care about this topic.

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yeh, well you'll get results no matter what you do.. haha I guess the most important thing is actually putting in the effort in the first place. But yeh I would totally go the other way.. not for the conventional shit.

TBH I know nothing about tribulus, I just use it and it makes me agro.. I nearly left it out of my list cause I think it's near tantamount to a placebo.. but fuck, it definately gets me going one way or the other.

Well I know that creatine isn't the most popular in this thread but the results I have seen in the past few weeks with it are intense... they make me want to keep taking it because I haven't ever seen this much of an increase in size and strength in such little time... but I'm just scared I will lose it after I stop taking it. I was fighting the allergy thing, I was thinking that it wasn't that bad and if I'm going to get bigger than it might be worth it... but I stopped taking it a couple of day ago and I'm going to go get some of this other stuff... prolly narrow it down to 1 and go with it for a while.

and I will leave the tribulus alone cuz I don't need anything that will up my sex drive..

but basically, all of this stuff that has been mentioned... if I take it for a while, and then stop taking it but continue working out.. will I still lose it????

so you think you are hornier than the rest of us here? huh? I DONT THINK SO!!


just joking.


but seriously, try some xyience. I bought some when I promised myself I would start working out, and when I did, the energy boost was kick ass. and the soreness the next day for me was usually horrible, but after an intense workout with this stuff, the soreness was barely noticeable.

I might be coming to town this weekend, and I have some you can sample. ill call you.

yeah man call me.. that would be great

and the soreness.. I hope it makes me sore because for some reason I love the pain or soreness... makes me feel like I actually did something the day before... its my motivation to work out the next day.

edit: not hornier than the rest of you.. just horny enough

Basically if you wanna put size on you gotta sort your nutrition out, it really depends what your goals are.

If you wanna lean up then high protein low carb diet is your best option.
If you're trying to put on size then high carb and high protein. (I currently have to eat just over 4000 calories a day to reach my target weight.)

Simplified your body uses energy to maintain what muscle mass you have, we get this energy from food. You will use energy even if you're lying in bed all day.

This energy is spent on maintaining the muscle mass you have already, if you don't eat you'll start to lose your muscle mass. You need to eat enough to:

1 - Maintain that mass
2 - Do anything in the day, walking moving working out or whatever.

So if you eat exactly that amount of calories you won't grow or shrink, you need to get more in after that to put on the muscle mass. So basically you need to eat fuck loads or you won't grow. (it has to be good stuff too, it's not an excuse to eat whatever, pretty much all I eat is a meat [protein] and rice [carbs].

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So now you got a bit about nutrition sorted supplements wise if you're trying to put on size get a weight gainer which will have considerably more carbs in the shake so more calories and more size. Good times.

Or if you're trying to lean down and get cut up then a low carb and high protein shake. I was on one supplement after I came back from a year long injury and it was pretty much no carbs and loads of protein and I ate nowt but steak and salad again pretty much just protein and I lost the weight pretty quick.

Replacing creatine - I never really used it as I didn't get too good gains from it, I take a supplement in addition to shakes called glutamine. The way it works is eventually when you're exercising you burn all the availiable stored energy and your muscles will use themselves to provide energy thus losing a bit of size. This is known as the catabolic state and basically glutamine prevents the rate at which this happens so more gains, it's a good supp to add.


Hope that helps, if you wanna know anything else in better detail ask me. If you want as well I can design you a nutrition program and a gym routine which I guarantee if you stick to it will get you bigger if you wanna give me a bit of cash. I extend that to everyone by the way.










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I AM ALL THAT IS DOUCHE.

how much cash?

I tried glutamine just a few times but I couldn't stomach the horrible taste and smell

I think what I'm going to do is try to beef up and then try to get cut, because it seems like I can't do both.. I've gained quite a bit of muscle mass in the past few weeks... when you look at my arms they look alright, when you look at my friends arms you think "dang those are huge"... but mine are honestly 3 inches bigger in diameter than his... we measured.. its just that he is so cut and I'm not

The creatine helps your muscle cells absorb more water, which makes you look bigger. I wouldn't get too attached to this , as its only a temporary thing whilst you take the creatine. So be prepared to lose a little size when you come off it, but don't let it bother you because it was never 'real' muscle anyway.

If you continue to work out you will get bigger, but you will just lose that little extra size in your muscles where they have been puffed out due to the water in your cells.

corus o wise and doucheful one, what diet plan should I use to lose a lot of upper body fat? should I just do cardio? help me pareez.

What kinda diet should I go on to make my head smaller?

corus, I just tried to pm you and it says that your pm's are disable or your inbox is full.... I have a proposition broseph

lmao make your body bigger! by doing this your head will look smaller in proportion.. this is the only reason why I work out

I got banned from PMing when I left a while back haha add me on msn.

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You won't be able to just lose body fat from the top half of your body you will lose it all over, which isn't a bad thing anyways.

If you wanna lose body fat it's real simple eat regularly (every four hours) this is important as it keeps your metabolism burning which will mean you burn more fat if you don't eat regularly your metabolic rate slows down and you store more fat.

Basically what you wanna be eating is low carbs and high protein so no chips, potatoes, rice, pasta. Obviously you will need some carbs so a little bit of these things is ok but I basically ate steak and lettuce or chicken and lettuce for ages.

Get off the beers stop snacking and if you eat low carb high protein diet regularly you'll be fine.

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This is why I will never see an improvment!

Dude, believe me. Its not worth of it.

Vodes convinced me, off to the pub to snack!!!

Besides people who don't drink beer are fags.

Like me!

You can replace drinking beer with rape.