God

This is from an Australian TV show called "John Safran Vs. God."

In this clip he goes door knocking, Mormon style, in the name of Atheism.

Anyway, to answer the question. I don't believe there is a god, simply because I find it illogical.

Hundreds of years ago, people thought the sun was a god. These days we know it's a giant ball of burning hydrogen and helium gas. Hopefully in the future, science will explain everything else we portray as being made by a supreme being, with some kind of plausible scientific theory.

cool I will check it out when im back from work!

Even Jesus was against religion, but what about having faith in god? Do you think the world would be better off with out any kind of belief?




History of human wars

The history of human warfare goes back to the beginning of recorded history (and, no doubt, well before that). A recent comprehensive compilation of the history of human warfare, Encyclopedia of Wars by Charles Phillips and Alan Axelrod documents 1763 wars, of which 123 have been classified to involve a religious conflict.3 So, what atheists have considered to be "most" really amounts to less than 7% of all wars. It is interesting to note that 66 of these wars (more than 50%) involved Islam, which did not even exist as a religion for the first 3,000 years of recorded human warfare.
U.S.A. - the most religious country

Since the United States of America is and has been one of the most religious countries over the last 200+ years, if the atheists are correct, the U.S.A. should have been involved in the largest number of religious wars of any other nation. In fact, the United States has been involved in 17 wars, only one of which (the current "War on Terror") has any religious entanglement. The number of Americans who have died as the result of religious wars is 14.2/year, which is less than the number of people who die yearly from dog bites.4
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The atheist claim that religion is the cause of most wars is shown to be false. The history of human warfare shows that less than 7% of all wars have religious causes. If atheists are correct, the most religious industrial nation, the United States of America, should be involved in more religious wars than any other country. However, only the "War on Terror," among all 17 American wars, involves a religious component.



Think of it as saving someones soul (their life)

If someone was going to be hit by a train would it be bothering them to warn them that a train was coming?



Look up "The Drake equation"

It a formula that says it's almost impossible for there to be any other life out there.

sorry



God's logic is great then human logic

Logic is irreplaceable. It is not an arbitrary tautology, a useful framework among others. Various systems of cataloging books in libraries are possible, and several are equally convenient. They are all arbitrary. History can be designated by 800 as easily as by 400. But there is no substitute for the law of contradiction. If dog is the equivalent of not-dog, and if 2 = 3 = 4, not only do zoology and mathematics disappear, Victor Hugo and Johann Wolfgang Goethe also disappear. These two men are particularly appropriate examples, for they are both, especially Goethe, romanticists. Even so, without logic, Goethe could not have attacked the logic of John's Gospel (I, l224-1237).

Yeah but God doesn't exist.

All this has made me inexplicably made me want to go and read some fiction.

Religion is nothing more than a device used to control the simple minded.

/ make £££££

Get stuffed, fuck maths, im sorry but look how big it all is... and we are the only ones.. dont be fucking stupid.

just cuz you read it does not mean its true (like the bible)



Damn right!

That's how I feel about video games, drugs, porn, or money.

Everyone has something controlling their lives.

Some people just choose to let God control them, because they know that love is good.

God is love

Must be old because they have already found fossilized bacteria.

Plus we sent out bacteria that can survive without oxygen to Mars, so yeah life already exists out there.

Plus they found standing water on one of jupiter's moons.

Plus I suck cock.

I highly doubt that anyone could ever be made from another persons rib.
evoloution, on the other hand seems much more realistic.

People take religion too seriously. People take the Bible too seriously. The Bible is a useful book when used correctly. Don't look at the literal events that take place in the text. Look for the deeper truth behind it. Don't just disregard it completely and treat anyone who lives a good life because of it like lesser people.

Be open minded about it and try to read it beyond just what's said in the text itself. Look beyond the text at what it's trying to teach, and then you're seeing it how it's meant to be seen.

If you completely write it off as meaningless fiction, you're just as guilty as the fundamentalist who takes every word as a commandment from God.

If you ignore it and act like it has no affect on the world, you're doing yourself and the world just as big of an injustice.

If you look at it yourself and try to see how it can help you be a good person, then you're doing what an intelligent, educated person would do. If you simply consider it useless and never bother to look at it, then you're just blindly basing your belief system based on how shitty other people around you act.

It's like me judging Nick Statler or Barrack Obama for being Christians because Pentacostalists are conservative whack jobs. Just because some people in the world choose to make the Bible a negative thing, it doesn't mean you should deny yourself the opportunity to be a better person.

The Bible teaches common applicable values and offers explanations of why the world works the way it does. Take the story of Genesis - it's not meant to be take literally with Eden and incest. It's meant to explain to us why there is pain and suffering in the world - because people do bad things that they know they shouldn't do. Suffering is introduced to the world by Eve knowingly going against what she knew was right. That's what you take from it - if you do bad things, then bad things happen in the world. Fuck Adam, fuck Eve, fuck the serpent. That shit is all just exposition to flesh out the core value taught by the story.

Almost every Biblical story has an innate truth to it that can be very helpful when read correctly. Just denying everything in its bindings is immature and narrow-minded.

Edit - And that applies to anything really. The Koran, The Analects, the Veda, or any other writings taken as God's word. Just because a segment of a population associate it with God it doesn't mean it's automatically invalid.

You speak wise words my friend.

Actually God is hate, fear and death.

http://theync.com/media.php?name=6406-graphic-new-video

ALLAH AKBAR!

As Ray said^

The bible isn't supposed to be read as a true story about some guy helping some other guys. You shouldn't read it for the literal stories and tales, you should read to learn from them. Many christians are nicer people than others, because they learn how to act from the bible. The meaning of the book, NOT God and Jesus, is what you should base christianity on.

However, many christians also thinks the purpose of the bible IS to learn about this Jesus dude. And God. So fuck it.



Word. But that video isn't God, it's a bunch of disgusting pakis.

OK, some ppl might read this book knowing its not all real, but know its a good idea to read being the pages and try and be good........ but wtf... if anyone wants to be good, why the fuck do they need to read a book? If you intentions was to lead a good life, the chances are you going to... you dont need to read a fucking book.

I would say I've been good in life so far.

I've never started a fight
I try and help people around me to the best of my ability.
I plan to fly out to a 3rd world in 3 years to help out
I look after this planet the best I can but always recycling and turning down my carbon footprint.
I no longer do any drugs
and most the time I drink in moderation just like old JC

and I did this all without a book,

everyone can beleave what they want.

Moldytoaster, you arn't gonna convert anyone, so just stop trying.

Everyone should have their own thoughts of God and religion and such, it is what makes the world go round.



















by the way, if god is real, let him close this thread now.

God isn't a magician for hire. he is not going to perform miracles just so you believe.

He was in back of the day,



randrom dude: WTF, the keg is finished
JC: hahahahah
RD: why you laugh?
JC: pass that water glass
RD: why
JC: wana see some magic
RD: urm. ok
JC: I will now turn water into wine... BOOOM... here ya go
RD: fucking a... thats sweet... now turn it into beer
JC: urm... I cant
RD: why?
JC: cuz thats all I can do
RD: who wants fucking wine?
RD2: Yo JC, your a fucking fag man
JC: STFU....

I'm never going to sit down and read the bible. I don't think anyone will.

thats not the way it went, but whatever.


apparently plenty of people have. its the best selling book of all time.

Anyone here*

EDIT: And its only the best selling book because people buy them in bulk to put in hotels and shit. Everyone knows that. Not to mention the fact it's been available longer than almost ALL other books.

Did it sell more than this?

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I don't want you guys to if you don't want to either. But, what I do feel is harmful is when people assume that because someone else does consider the Bible or religion in general to be helpful in their lives that they are a lesser person or weak-minded. It is harmful to assume that any person whom subscribes to religious beliefs is partially to blame for hatred and wars. It is harmful to deny yourself an opportunity to make yourself a better person simply because someone you don't know or really care about does stupid shit in the name of religion. If you say religion is evil simply because other people do stupid thing in its name, then you're just showing how weak-willed and easily influenced you are by others. Grow some balls and make decisions based on what you do in your life, not what others do in theirs.

And WKH, the texts of the world's major religions are largely responsible for those values you mentioned about showing compassion for others, and taking responsibility for the environment. You may feel that those things are important, and the Bible probably had nothing to do with it directly for you. However, those are the same values that have been shared by world religions for thousands of years, and have influenced our cultures to operate in the way they do. Don't let the actions of others dictate how you live your life. Don't let a book dictate your life either, though. It's not about blindly following anything.

and all the harry potters? PFFT...whatever.

A lot of good shit here! Ray had some good toughts about the Bible...

True shit. But unfortunately the bible is also a very useful book for ppl who want to use it wrong.

George Bush and some Arabic fudamentalists tend to justify theyre insane and by no reasonable means justified actions by waving a bible (or similar book of 'wisdom' hah)

So Its apparently also a way too hard book to interpret as so many people tend to accept the actions, on the basis that its gods will, that these powerful men do.

You also have to be smart enough to understand right and wrong and how to part fiction from fact without a bible.

Lets look at a small community somewehre in the world. Where there is a long history of religious tradition eg. all the cities and states in the US 'bible belt' (I feel like exagerating). These are also the regions with the lowest IQs am I right?(there were some studies that indicated this during the us presidential elections)

These somewhat ignorat people, that tend to breed and socialice(what a word to use in this context) with their own kin, are like sheep -dumb fucking sheep- because of religion and the bible. They really follow this book, the bible. So when the president of their country or another lunatic, even a Major of a small town... Speak about the evildoers who GOD wants to punish for their lack of faith (or whatever) They say yey, it must be true.

I took the us as an example because were talking about the Bible... but ofcourse you can find this kind of sick behavior anywhere.

The bible is a book with great wisdom and good lessons about moral. But its also a tool for brainwashing stupid people to devote themselves eg. supporting a war for oil.


Just another way to look at it I guess...

This is not a rant that the bible is shit and that god is a homo... just random thoughts about the negative effects that religion can have.

there is a strong difference than Christianity and what today's church conveys. The church has twisted the ways of the old testament to go as far to say if you dont vote republican, you are probably going to hell. now, I dont consider myself stupid or to have a lower IQ than the average american, although I am a Christian and I do live in the bible belt. Politicians and televangelists have come forward to say that they are strong christians, and what they are doing is in the name of God, but most of the stuff they call 'Holy' is sinful. the media has twisted Christianity to be more of an extremist cult than it actually is meant to be.

I would actually suggest for people to read the Bible. im not saying it is so revolutionary that it will change your whole life, but I feel it will provide a difference between the church and actual Christianity.

Nick's right, though. True Christianity and what people who call themselves Christians do are two separate things.

of course we all know that.

Without religion, there would be alot less conflict and death all over the world.

By all means if people want to interpret what they read and are taught and a non-violent and very loving capacity thats fine. If it gives them comfort about the afterlife then by all means, allow them the right to live their lives in peace.

Religion taken literally (as the majority of people who follow it believe it should be) is still total bullshit.