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post #1
03 September 2007, 12:49 UTC#1
I plan to get a decent camera for my future projects, I want a vx2100 or a XM2 (GL2) but due to the size its offputting, but a sony HDV camera is half the size and easy to carry around with me just incase something worth filming, like I do with my current camera now.

but whats the quality like in comparison? I filmed a time lapes of the moon the other night on a vx2100 and I was amazed on how it came out. but then someone with a sony HDV cam tells me his would of picked it up alot better if filmed on a HD tape.

so afew questions for you camera people.

is that above statement true? and if so arnt mini HD tapes expensive? iv read about 4 times the price of one mini dv, is it possible to film on one then capture it as a dv format? if so will that kill the quality alot or is it just worth filming in dv quality anyway because I plan on mixing HDV clips with DV clips in mixups if that is the case. will that work or is it not possible?

whats your input?

cheers
-webby
post #2
03 September 2007, 17:47 UTC#2
You can film HDV on normal dv tapes, it just looks better if you do record it on hdv tapes.

And HDV is much better than anything a vx could do, or any dv cam. But the downside is you have to be able to capture HDV foorty, altho alot of HDV cams can record in both HDV and DV.

The worlds going HD might aswell go along with it.
post #3
03 September 2007, 19:47 UTC#3
id say HDV, smaller, cheaper, good low light.

63min tapes for HVD tapes are like $10-$12
post #4
03 September 2007, 22:08 UTC#4
QUOTE(DEX @ Sep 3 2007, 07:47 PM) [snapback]434460[/snapback]

You can film HDV on normal dv tapes, it just looks better if you do record it on hdv tapes.

And HDV is much better than anything a vx could do, or any dv cam. But the downside is you have to be able to capture HDV foorty, altho alot of HDV cams can record in both HDV and DV.

The worlds going HD might aswell go along with it.


but all my footage isnt HD....can I mix both?
post #5
03 September 2007, 22:18 UTC#5
you can edit both together
post #6
03 September 2007, 23:22 UTC#6
ah sweet, a hdv camera it is. recomend any?
post #7
04 September 2007, 00:26 UTC#7
QUOTE(ill-advised @ Sep 4 2007, 12:22 AM) [snapback]434525[/snapback]

recomend any?

I'm waiting for someone to answer this aswell, got £1,500 and decided I want to spend in on a new cam
post #8
04 September 2007, 01:16 UTC#8
dont buy a GL2....

the cam quality is alright but they have a fabrication problem

the fuckin ''Remove the cassette'' error fix
and I got this problem :sad:
post #9
04 September 2007, 02:09 UTC#9
sony hdr-hc3 :)

EDIT: or an hd1 if u have the money, there a bit more but have a soom ring and some other more pro features
post #10
04 September 2007, 12:06 UTC#10
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-HDR-SR7E-60GB...7011&sr=1-1

this caught my eye. "60GB disk capacity for up to 22 hours HD recording "

22 hours. thats fine, I'll be able to transfer to a harddrive instead of buying and carrying around 22 1 hour tapes

heard any problems with this type of camera?
post #12
04 September 2007, 13:15 UTC#12
ah cheers, im looking to get the 100gig one if I do go for it


yeah I see no problem in that, what she mentiond as bad points was nit picking. apart from the HD format what she said about which incase I have no clue why thats bad. anyone want to share with me that?
post #13
04 September 2007, 14:02 UTC#13
ok im glad I looked into that format because I came across this

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The new kids on the block are AVCHD camcorders, which record high-definition video to DVDs, hard drives, or flash memory. I've discussed this new format in depth here. While the quality of the video that camcorders like the Sony HDR-UX7 shoot is good (though it is arguably not as good as video shot by HDV camcorders), this format's Achilles' heel is its editing; no easy way currently exists to edit the video these cameras shoot. None of the major video editing programs can import the video at the moment. You can, however, play back videos shot with AVCHD camcorders on a Sony PS3.

Pros: These camcorders produce high-definition video.
Cons: Models are expensive; video is hard to edit.
Best for: Gadget freaks, and those who want to shoot high-def but don't need to edit.


so would of been a big mistake if I got one of these cameras and found out I cant edit the videos
post #14
04 September 2007, 19:52 UTC#14
I have a Z1U.... HDV is fucking awesome. Definitely a better choice over minidv.
post #15
04 September 2007, 20:13 UTC#15
QUOTE(WEAK @ Sep 4 2007, 09:52 PM) [snapback]434731[/snapback]

I have a Z1U.... HDV is fucking awesome. Definitely a better choice over minidv.

Woah, you have fucking lots of cool expensive stuff then. But if the choice is between non-3ccd HD and 3ccd minidv as in this case, what would you chose? Because Z1U is something like 6000$ and thaaats too much for me at least.


QUOTE(ill-advised @ Sep 4 2007, 04:02 PM) [snapback]434681[/snapback]

ok im glad I looked into that format because I came across this

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... None of the major video editing programs can import the video at the moment. You can, however, play back videos shot with AVCHD camcorders on a Sony PS3...


OOh, you so should get some, think about it sony PS3 :ohmy:
post #16
04 September 2007, 20:18 UTC#16
aprently theres a patch for vegas to edit that format so I may still get it, any one know any other problems or bad things about HDV hard drive cameras?
post #18
04 September 2007, 22:51 UTC#18
whats the model name ect? theres no info on it.
post #19
04 September 2007, 22:55 UTC#19
JVC Everio GZ-HD7
post #20
05 September 2007, 00:32 UTC#20
it's JVC...


this thread has me interested in getting an HD cam now. I would only have about a grand to spend most likely though.
post #21
05 September 2007, 00:34 UTC#21
My VX suits me just fine for what I do. HD would be nice, but it'd be overkill for me.
post #22
05 September 2007, 00:38 UTC#22
QUOTE(Mr. Brown @ Sep 4 2007, 09:34 PM) [snapback]434791[/snapback]

My VX suits me just fine for what I do. HD would be nice, but it'd be overkill for me.

post #23
05 September 2007, 01:25 UTC#23
I have had my pimped out HDR HC3 for about three and and a half months, "hdv video can be filmed as hdv video and there is an option to down convert the footage down to dv threw uploading it threw firewire. so yeah I would suggest picking up an HDR HC1 or HC3 they're great little hdv cameras, totally worth whatever it will cost...
post #24
05 September 2007, 12:19 UTC#24
QUOTE(ill-advised @ Sep 4 2007, 10:18 PM) [snapback]434737[/snapback]

aprently theres a patch for vegas to edit that format so I may still get it, any one know any other problems or bad things about HDV hard drive cameras?


That caera your refering to isnt HDV its AVCHD. Dont get it.

You want HDV 1080i quality. I would say pro HD but at the moent you cant get that any higher than 720 for any handheld/affordable cameras.

For HDV the z1u is very good, and is what I usually use, as do most tv shows for documenterys and on location filming for news. But if you to want to make a film with it and I would get it because the picture looks flat and very uncinamatic.

For cinematic picture you really want a cannon, because their lenses are amazing.

Tbh if I was you I'd just get one of the lil HDV caeras like louzy has, unless you want to spend a shitload of money etc.
post #25
05 September 2007, 12:20 UTC#25
what cam does louzy have?
post #26
05 September 2007, 12:53 UTC#26
I dont know. I just referring to those lil hdv sony cameras that are pretty sall and yet stil do hdv.
post #27
05 September 2007, 14:36 UTC#27
yeah I prob will be getting a camera like louzy's but its the cost of HDV tapes that puts me off.

wouldnt it be better getting a 3ccd camera? or is HDV just blow it out the water?
post #28
11 September 2007, 20:43 UTC#28
So 3ccd or cheap HDV?

I rememeber weak saying that cheap hdv is way worse in low light than 3ccd?
post #29
11 September 2007, 22:48 UTC#29
naw the little sony hdv have 0 lux
post #30
11 September 2007, 23:21 UTC#30
So did my old vhs-c.

Its called a nightshot, bro.