Smoking Ban Being Introduced In The Uk

[quote name='mono' post='401126' date='Dec 2 2006, 10:38 AM']
[quote name='Rob764' post='401017' date='Dec 2 2006, 12:42 AM']
Cite all the articles you want about exaggeration, this has been verified by doctors and scientists the world over. It's been seen in millions of cases.
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You obviously completely missed my argument, studies can prove whatever they want. It's just the government blowing issues completely out of proportion. I think pubs should individually chose if they want to allow smoking or not.

I just don't see why you're bitching about it so much, you've never given a shit in the past.
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I wasn't targeting you specifically. And in truth, I never actually cared either way to be honest. It was something to do while I downloaded a game demo. But fuck it, even if I never gave a shit in the past, that doesn't really stop me arguing against it.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']Bashing you head against a wall, I don't see a single point you've raised I havn't countered,[/quote]


We're going round in circles. It's boring.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM'] It's not like im being stubborn, im backing up my opinion as best I can, that's an argument.[/quote]

Lol.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']You believe that your opinion is valid, but your only evidence is that smoking affects you[/quote]

Yeah you're right. The worldwide passive smoking agenda is based on me.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM'] Before this thread, I have never heard you complain about smoking harming you, other than you not liking the smell.[/quote]


And I'm not going to complain, because for now it's the law that you can smoke in pubs. I'm not gonna complain when nobody's actually breaking the law. I know what to expect in pubs. The argument is whether its right for it to be there.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']I don't like the smell of some stuff, but if other choose to wear that smell, say a perfume, I dont pesecute them for it.[/quote]

How about they come and spray it in your face?

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']I never blamed it on the weatherman, that's a really childish strop.[/quote]

It's called a joke. lol.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']Passive smoking does cause problems, I said it was over exagerted, and there is no proof that it does cause the problems you so firmly believe.[/quote]

You're right. Having carbon monoxide going into my lungs will probably work out alright in the end.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']And I don't believe sticking to your opinion is selfish, otherwise you are nonethebetter.[/quote]

You're right. Smoking and damaging others as well as yourself is fine. For ever 4 you smoke, I smoke 1. I should probably be paying you!

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']Just because other countries pass laws, doesn't mean we have to, in fact different countries have many different laws, so that's not a reason.[/quote]

I think you'll find your wrong. If even one country passes a law which aims to combat health problems, almost every other western country comes under pressure to pass it too. And because smoking is being demonised so much now there's even more pressure.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']
I don't take it to an extreme, saying I want to smoke in a pub, thats not extreme, a lot of people feel that and do that at present.
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That's not what I meant at all. You're taking this paranoia about the nanny state too far and seeing it in everything. That's what I meant. That's why I talked about the nanny state in the previous sentence.


EDIT: And as for countering my arguments, I've noticed that for the past few posts you've just cut out little bits of my post to talk about. Can you please expand on

- the analogy concerning religion
- why the government would want a smoking ban
- how the smoking ban is like global warming
- why that list was relevant. Keep throwing stupid government reports at me, it makes no difference. We all know what kind of morons work for the government. A lot of those things are really not comparable with tobacco.
- PR guys from tobacco companies can give reports on the dangers of passive smoking outside the ban debate

[quote name='Rob764' date='Dec 2 2006, 01:33 PM' post='401138']
[quote name='mono' post='401126' date='Dec 2 2006, 10:38 AM']
[quote name='Rob764' post='401017' date='Dec 2 2006, 12:42 AM']
Cite all the articles you want about exaggeration, this has been verified by doctors and scientists the world over. It's been seen in millions of cases.
[/quote]
You obviously completely missed my argument, studies can prove whatever they want. It's just the government blowing issues completely out of proportion. I think pubs should individually chose if they want to allow smoking or not.

I just don't see why you're bitching about it so much, you've never given a shit in the past.
[/quote]

I wasn't targeting you specifically. And in truth, I never actually cared either way to be honest. It was something to do while I downloaded a game demo. But fuck it, even if I never gave a shit in the past, that doesn't really stop me arguing against it.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']Bashing you head against a wall, I don't see a single point you've raised I havn't countered,[/quote]


We're going round in circles. It's boring.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM'] It's not like im being stubborn, im backing up my opinion as best I can, that's an argument.[/quote]

Lol.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']You believe that your opinion is valid, but your only evidence is that smoking affects you[/quote]

Yeah you're right. The worldwide passive smoking agenda is based on me.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM'] Before this thread, I have never heard you complain about smoking harming you, other than you not liking the smell.[/quote]


And I'm not going to complain, because for now it's the law that you can smoke in pubs. I'm not gonna complain when nobody's actually breaking the law. I know what to expect in pubs. The argument is whether its right for it to be there.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']I don't like the smell of some stuff, but if other choose to wear that smell, say a perfume, I dont pesecute them for it.[/quote]

How about they come and spray it in your face?

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']I never blamed it on the weatherman, that's a really childish strop.[/quote]

It's called a joke. lol.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']Passive smoking does cause problems, I said it was over exagerted, and there is no proof that it does cause the problems you so firmly believe.[/quote]

You're right. Having carbon monoxide going into my lungs will probably work out alright in the end.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']And I don't believe sticking to your opinion is selfish, otherwise you are nonethebetter.[/quote]

You're right. Smoking and damaging others as well as yourself is fine. For ever 4 you smoke, I smoke 1. I should probably be paying you!

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']Just because other countries pass laws, doesn't mean we have to, in fact different countries have many different laws, so that's not a reason.[/quote]

I think you'll find your wrong. If even one country passes a law which aims to combat health problems, almost every other western country comes under pressure to pass it too. And because smoking is being demonised so much now there's even more pressure.

[quote name='Opinionated Joe' post='401092' date='Dec 2 2006, 05:16 AM']
I don't take it to an extreme, saying I want to smoke in a pub, thats not extreme, a lot of people feel that and do that at present.
[/quote]

That's not what I meant at all. You're taking this paranoia about the nanny state too far and seeing it in everything. That's what I meant. That's why I talked about the nanny state in the previous sentence.


EDIT: And as for countering my arguments, I've noticed that for the past few posts you've just cut out little bits of my post to talk about. Can you please expand on

- the analogy concerning religion
- why the government would want a smoking ban
- how the smoking ban is like global warming
- why that list was relevant. Keep throwing stupid government reports at me, it makes no difference. We all know what kind of morons work for the government. A lot of those things are really not comparable with tobacco.
- PR guys from tobacco companies can give reports on the dangers of passive smoking outside the ban debate
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EDIT: [quoted from way back because you edited your post to include it and I only just saw it]


[quote name='Opinionated Joe' date='Dec 2 2006, 03:33 AM' post='401047']Your asthmatic, that's a whole lot different, most people arn't asthmatic so it might affect them differnetly.
That's not proof, I know people who are asthmatic and smoke, there fine. They can breathe, people act differently.[/quote]

It's their choice to be asthmatic and smoke. I never said asthmatics can't smoke. Just like you said, it affects people differently.


[quote name='Opinionated Joe' date='Dec 2 2006, 03:33 AM' post='401047']Carbon monoxide is used in many detergeants and is naturally found in the atmostphere.
Hydrogen cyanide is found in our atmosphere, through some insects and car emissions.
Tar is found in the atmosphere and used in cosmetics.
Quick, stop breathing and washing.[/quote]

But in all those cases, it's not concentrated with 4000 other chemicals flying down my throat.

EDIT:

Ok, how about this. It may be easier to discuss since we both share a hatred for the retarded.

Over 2.60 million are mentally disabled in the uk, right? Well, two of them walks into the bar you are in. They start screaming and shouting, and eventually shit their pants. Many mentally disabled people do stuff like this, it makes them feel because it's self-release. Bearing in mind that it's just an irritation, not even damaging your health, would you be ok for them to be there? (remove the possibility of pitting the two retards against each other in a form of pub entertainment commonly known as Spastic Wrestling. Because everyone knows that would rock)

Shut it Rob, your quotations don't even work!

omfg viking!

- the analogy concerning religion
I don't understand what I didn't metion, my point was that lots of people saying one thing doesn't mean it's correct, like religion.
- why the government would want a smoking ban
Because the health minister wants to "saveS people, she came up with the idea, then voted against it and made the new pub and club one as well.
- how the smoking ban is like global warming
In my eyes, Both been blown out of proportion, both used as a massive "humans are killing everyone" campaign. They both bring out the tree hugging twats.

- why that list was relevant. Keep throwing stupid government reports at me, it makes no difference. We all know what kind of morons work for the government. A lot of those things are really not comparable with tobacco.

The list was relevant, because you are so sure that passive smoking causes the damges that you hear in the media, just let you know that the people saying this also believe, the list.

- PR guys from tobacco companies can give reports on the dangers of passive smoking outside the ban debate
They can to an extent, but there not allowed to use their findings to influence the gov.


Ok, how about this. It may be easier to discuss since we both share a hatred for the retarded.

Over 2.60 million are mentally disabled in the uk, right? Well, two of them walks into the bar you are in. They start screaming and shouting, and eventually shit their pants. Many mentally disabled people do stuff like this, it makes them feel because it's self-release. Bearing in mind that it's just an irritation, not even damaging your health, would you be ok for them to be there? (remove the possibility of pitting the two retards against each other in a form of pub entertainment commonly known as Spastic Wrestling. Because everyone knows that would rock)

No I hate fucking retards being in places, esspecially the cinema, it drives me mad.
However, I would not ask them to leave as I have no right, if I didn't like it, I'd leave. Now, the smoker Im assuming would be the retard.
And the non-smoker is the person becoming annoyed.
In my head, the hater or nonsmoker should leave.

More often than not, it's true. I've already stated why the two are disproportionate.



Koresh didn't believe in Hinduism. However, he did believe that it was ok to imprison, brainwash and rape small girls. Joe, your not Hindu. Do you imprison, brainwash and rape small girls?
Painting everyone with the same brush doesn't work. Many reliable media sources would discount that list. It comes from a select few dickheads who shouldn't be paid for what they're doing, but are.



So find me one that presents findings that passive smoking doesn't damage health. There have been findings that it causes a 25% increase of heart and lung disease in a selection of people monitored. This doesn't constitute as proof because its a random survey. But find me the same kind of thing in support of tobacco companies.



But the retards are everywhere. They are in every bar. It's National Hugs Day and they're coming for you. There are some bars that have a 'no-retard' sign up, but they either look like shit and are miles away, or are gay bars.

When I went to canada there was no smoking in the bars. I dunno if it's a law or what but the atmosphere was so much nicer. I don't wanna have to breath in other people's shit.

I think smokings fucking stupid but I don't force you not to do it. Because you think it's good why should I be forced to inhale you second hand smoke?

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I think it sucks cock.

habsolute bullshit.

I agree in restaurants, but fuck no for pubs/bars/clubs

I think it's fucking great..
I mean, I smoke pretty much weed when I go out but I seriously fucking hate the fact my clothing smells like shit and that I have to wash them after wearing em for 3 hours. Especially when you're wearing some expensive shit, you don't wanna wash that too often.

So imo, either just ban the whole fucking shit (and people will stop eventually, cause 80% of those fags only smoke as excuse not to dance or whatever, or just to act like they're cool, 20% really smokes cause theyre addicted and 10% of those started like the 80%-fag gang haha).

And no, I have nothing against people who smoke but man, sometimes there are they rich ass gay dudes with a smoke in their hand, totally not looking at what they're doing, burning a hole in your shirt.. last time a $100 got fucked because of this bullshit and well he got paid back nicely, cock.