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post #31
20 November 2006, 23:08 UTC#31
QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 02:07 AM) [snapback]398305[/snapback]

I'll reply to your post when I have the energy to do so, at the moment I really can't be bothered though, that shit is just too fucking long lol


lol I sat here watching the news and occasionally adding to it when something boring came on. I want a coffee now.
post #32
20 November 2006, 23:12 UTC#32
QUOTE(Rob764 @ Nov 21 2006, 12:04 AM) [snapback]398302[/snapback]

QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 20 2006, 03:06 PM) [snapback]398146[/snapback]
Charles Darwin believed in god you know.


Charles Darwin lived in a time so far removed from ours that to bring up his personal religious beliefs is irrelevant. His theories form the building blocks for almost every thesis discussing the non-existence of God; whether he was a Christian or not is irrelevant due to the time he lived in. You might as well say he was white; 99% of the scientists of the period were, but fuck it, let's just throw it in there because it bolsters a claim!

QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 20 2006, 03:06 PM) [snapback]398146[/snapback]
Theres a saying that goes; "A deep study of science eventually forces a belief in god". I can see how this works in my own life, whether or not you do is your problem, just don't be ignorant.


I've heard this phrase, and I don't agree at all. A deep study of science demonstrates Quantum, evolution and physics. Please explain to me exactly how this forces a belief in God. Don't just pepper your posts with phrases that sound good yet don't actually explain anything.

QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 20 2006, 03:06 PM) [snapback]398146[/snapback]
That, and the idea that religion is a 'hypocrisy' really got on my nerves too...Hypocrisy isn't a condition of religion, it's a condition of humanity; and given that organized religion is pretty much a human-made concept, it is inevitably prone to it, just like everything and everyone else in life. I wonder if accusing others of hypocrisy is hypocritical in itself? There, that's a thought for you to ponder...lol


Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! Got a little deep there, didn't you Princess? Now while you spout your self-involved pretension that could have been ripped from the mouths of any of pseudo-alternative music intellectual circa the early 1990s at many urban colleges and Sonic Youth shows, think about this: while a lot of people may use hypocrisy as a reason not to follow religion, you can't feasibly counter them by pointing out the flaws of the world around us. Your argument smacks of Catholicism and all its self-blaming theology; it's us the people who have confused God's message. He didn't mean for it to be this way! If we were all better people, we would know for sure if divinity exists! Sorry, won't cut it in any average-level debate anywhere in the world. Fact is, there is no deductive argument for the existence of God. Every time science eliminates a Biblical teaching, it suddenly becomes apparent to every man and his dog that whichever grand scribe penned that particular section didn't mean for it to be interpreted literally you sillies. Bah.

QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 20 2006, 05:29 PM) [snapback]398161[/snapback]
Sure, it's nice to be able to blame everything on religion and single their coruption and contradictions out over others, but it just makes you look like a fuck head when you consider the general scheme of things.


Yet more vague, pointless banter from you. 'In the general scheme of things'? Please elaborate.
And the only one looking like a fuckhead is you, by continuing the great Biblical tradition of murky declarations that could be taken any of 20 ways.

QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 12:49 AM) [snapback]398286[/snapback]
I did say the evidence currently available was open to interpretation. Fuck, what is wrong with you people?

No, I'm serious now...what IS wrong with you people? Can't you fucking read something in full and just take it for whats its worth?


Can't you assert your point without announcing that everyone else is either ignorant or a fuckhead? I sense some kind if inferiority complex here that forces you to insult everyone who doesn't agree with you.

QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 12:49 AM) [snapback]398286[/snapback]


Cheers for that, it's going under my 'comedy' bookmark section.

Amongst other things, the author cites as one of his 'arguments' what can be simplified as the "things get old, without a 'divine mechanic' the Universe would simply fall apart like a 40 year old automobile". This is by far one of the most idiotic and illogical theories I have ever heard.

He cites Sagen, a man who has been widely criticised by many, including professors from NASA, as bluntly ignoring the law of gravity and other such astronomical certainties in his papers.

He attempts to 'prove' the existence of God through demonstrating the Sun and stars use up hydrogen, thereby implying the Universe had a beginning. Congratulations to the author, he has just bypassed the theory of Infinite Regress. Now that he is on an equal footing with Arab theologians hundreds of years ago, perhaps he can possibly assert proof that this beginning was instigated by a divine power?

QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 12:49 AM) [snapback]398286[/snapback]
Well, you know what? Those people are wrong. And so are you, so just get over it.


And here we are, Ladies and Gents, the stubborn determination that forms the backbone of any die-hard religious scholar! The staunch rejection of any opposition as either biased, mistaken or downright deluded. For someone who so readily accuses others of ignorance, you really fling the insults around, don't you?




Now it's been fun, but you need to stop the aggression. Maybe if you had come in and conveyed your point with a level head and respect for others instead of simply stating 'this is shit', you wouldn't have been met with the reception you got. The only reason myself and others have had to fuck about with you is because you take yourself far too seriously.


Nuh uh.
post #33
20 November 2006, 23:25 UTC#33
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Charles Darwin lived in a time so far removed from ours that to bring up his personal religious beliefs is irrelevant. His theories form the building blocks for almost every thesis discussing the non-existence of God; whether he was a Christian or not is irrelevant due to the time he lived in. You might as well say he was white; 99% of the scientists of the period were, but fuck it, let's just throw it in there because it bolsters a claim!

you know, some people believe that life was DESIGNED to evolve if you know what I mean...I'm not saying this is what Darwin believed, but it does provide an explanation that involves both an evolutionary and creationist perpective...
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I've heard this phrase, and I don't agree at all. A deep study of science demonstrates Quantum, evolution and physics. Please explain to me exactly how this forces a belief in God. Don't just pepper your posts with phrases that sound good yet don't actually explain anything.

It can force a belief in god by instilling notions of how finely tuned the universe is and how finely tuned living things are- in other words, things just don't seem like a big 'coincidence' anymore. There is a balance in life that cannot be ignored; Lets take DNA for example; it is ordered and structured and it's functions are based on mathematical priciples. To many, DNA appears to be DESIGNED...to say that the DNA molecule is just fluke of nature just seems illogical to certain people. Whether or not this is what I believe is irrelevant, that's just an example though.

This officially my last post on the subject...It's just too much energy to exert. I must say though, the only thing I agree with you on is this;
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He attempts to 'prove' the existence of God through demonstrating the Sun and stars use up hydrogen, thereby implying the Universe had a beginning. Congratulations to the author, he has just bypassed the theory of Infinite Regress. Now that he is on an equal footing with Arab theologians hundreds of years ago, perhaps he can possibly assert proof that this beginning was instigated by a divine power?
You make a good point there. I could argue agianst everything else you've said but I can't really be fucked lol.
post #34
20 November 2006, 23:28 UTC#34
QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 02:25 AM) [snapback]398314[/snapback]
No really you know, some people believe that life was DESIGNED to evolve if you know what I mean...I'm not saying this is what Darwin believed, but it does provide an explanation that involves both an evolutionary and creationist perpective...


Yeah, I know about the Design Argument. But since you've withdrawn from this I won't post my views on it, it's no fun without someone to argue with.
post #35
20 November 2006, 23:35 UTC#35
Oh alright, I'll make a few more posts, say what you want, just don't make it too long.

I prefer the term 'debate' over agrument as well lol
post #36
20 November 2006, 23:39 UTC#36
QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 02:35 AM) [snapback]398322[/snapback]

Oh alright, I'll make a few more posts, say what you want, just don't make it too long.

I prefer the term 'debate' over agrument as well lol


I rarely use the word 'debate' on here, just in case Al reads the topic and we all have to sit through his "let's all have a mass debate!" jokes. I hate you, Al. Image file not present in the recovered backup

In any case, I've fulfilled my quota for chatting absolutely shit for tonight. I'll try again tomorrow, but at the moment I'm tired and can't be bothered.
post #37
21 November 2006, 00:26 UTC#37
QUOTE(Rob764 @ Nov 21 2006, 12:39 AM) [snapback]398325[/snapback]

I rarely use the word 'debate' on here, just in case Al reads the topic and we all have to sit through his "let's all have a mass debate!" jokes. I hate you, Al. Image file not present in the recovered backup


I was straight up impressed with what you said here Rob, I don't think I have gotten in a good debate in forever though...I feel like some 80 year old horny grandma now.
post #38
21 November 2006, 01:12 UTC#38
Yeah, I was impressed too, despite the fact he only made two stand out points my mind, one of which I have already noted in a previous post. Still, made me think a bit

I would also like to take back my statement about there being evidence to "prove" the existance/non-existance of god. A better word would have been "suggest", sorry to have caused any confusion there.
post #39
21 November 2006, 01:15 UTC#39
QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 02:12 AM) [snapback]398333[/snapback]

Yeah, I was impressed too, despite the fact he only made two stand out points my mind, one of which I have already noted in a previous post. Still, made me think a bit

I would also like to take back my statement about there being evidence to "prove" the existance/non-existance of god. A better word would have been "suggest", sorry to have caused any confusion there.


Yeah but Lamer, thats not what an argument even a debate is about, especially internet ones.

Your supposed to degrate, while you state your opinion and you need to be as creative as possible so people go "HAHAHAHA THATS THE FUCKING TRUTH/AMEN/WORD UP/ECT".

Thats what makes a good arguement really, Rob rarely comes out of his e-pwn shell and when he does it's usually followed by pwning unlike the world has seen, so when I say your out of your ballpark I mean your out of your ballpark.
post #40
21 November 2006, 01:21 UTC#40
If you consider that pwning you aint seen the boards I used to post on man, trust me that was nothing.

And I don't need to be creative with opinion, cos' I honestly couldn't care if people agree with it or not, just as long as you hear what I have to say then I'm happy. And I'll admit to being wrong, theres nothing bad about that; theres no point to a debate unless you learn something yourself from it. I just hope I put forth some ideas that made you think a little.
post #41
21 November 2006, 01:25 UTC#41
QUOTE(Lamer @ Nov 21 2006, 02:21 AM) [snapback]398336[/snapback]

If you consider that pwning you aint seen the boards I used to post on man, trust me that was nothing.


Oh in comparison this was nothing, most of the good debates rage on for pages and pages, often transcend multiple threads.
post #42
21 November 2006, 01:28 UTC#42
lolz, yeah those are the debates I'm talking about, god they can be exhusting for those involved. Still, good fun if you've got fuck all to do.
post #43
21 November 2006, 02:17 UTC#43
I just realized that I never even said the word "prove"- I must have just thought I did, wow n00b of the day people lol.

post #44
22 November 2006, 00:48 UTC#44
y'all going to burn in hell :laugh:
post #45
22 November 2006, 09:22 UTC#45
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y\'all going to burn in hell :laugh:

Ah yeah, that place that exists.
post #46
22 November 2006, 13:13 UTC#46
QUOTE(mutley @ Nov 22 2006, 02:48 AM) [snapback]398527[/snapback]

y'all going to burn in hell :laugh:


If there was a god and a heaven there would be no hell, as god is meant to be all forgiving yeah?

The bible is the most contradictory peice of crap in exsistance, I dont claim to know shit loads on these topics but went too a christian priimary school and looking back it does teach good basic moral codes ect for kids, but really should contradict it's self alot less if people were really meant to belive the shit.
post #47
22 November 2006, 14:36 UTC#47
QUOTE(Skipper @ Nov 22 2006, 02:13 PM) [snapback]398607[/snapback]

QUOTE(mutley @ Nov 22 2006, 02:48 AM) [snapback]398527[/snapback]

y'all going to burn in hell :laugh:


If there was a god and a heaven there would be no hell, as god is meant to be all forgiving yeah?

The bible is the most contradictory peice of crap in exsistance, I dont claim to know shit loads on these topics but went too a christian priimary school and looking back it does teach good basic moral codes ect for kids, but really should contradict it's self alot less if people were really meant to belive the shit.


HEATHENZORZ!!!!
post #48
22 November 2006, 14:53 UTC#48
QUOTE(Rob764 @ Nov 19 2006, 02:16 AM) [snapback]397950[/snapback]

QUOTE(corus. @ Nov 19 2006, 03:43 AM) [snapback]397947[/snapback]

Only fucking morons are interested in physical needs. THis counters the first point, I coulnd't be arsed toread the second but seariously, fucking anything physical can't be anything that's offered out of our world.
BNIgsa.


You're drunk and quoting your philosophy lessons. Start by reading the post sober, then realise that not everything is the black-and-white outlook of Offsted Subject criteria.

Amen.
post #49
22 November 2006, 20:55 UTC#49
lol I like drunken philosophical posts.

Speaking of bible contradictions, check out this book called lost worlds. Pretty interesting view on how jesus is represented differently thoughout the 4 gospels of the new testament.