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post #1
18 April 2006, 04:15 UTC#1
Do you believe in natural selection?

For those of you who don’t know;

Natural Selection-is the process in nature by which, according to Darwin's theory of evolution, only the organisms best adapted to their environment tend to survive and transmit their genetic characteristics in increasing numbers to succeeding generations while those less adapted tend to be eliminated.

What does that mean exactly? It means that characteristics best suited for that environment are carried out through species that survived with those traits.

It’s called Macroevolution and it basically proves why we shouldn’t give two shits about pollution.

Still lost?

If the “Green House” effect actually does cause the polar ice caps to melt resulting in the gradual increase in water, or the ozone layer to become non existent resulting in more heat and less oxygen, we will adapt to that.

We will adapt through out time gradually as these events take place to require less oxygen and so on.

Thanks to Macroevolution.

So we are wasting our time trying to cut down on pollution, and not only that, spitting in Mother Nature’s face.

Have we as humans’ become so arrogant we believe we’re going to save the “Eco-System”, when as the Eco-System ever needed our help? It’s the god damn Eco-System it’s been around longer than humans.

What makes us qualified to try and save it, it’s like a child trying to stop himself from growing up.

Just because the Eco System is changing doesn’t necessarily mean it’s getting worse? It’s just different to us and as humans we think it is worse.

So all you tree huggers, hippies, naturalists, and hybrid drivers should all grab an aerosol can and spray it as high as you can into the ozone layer and celebrate the beauty of evolution and Mother Nature.
post #2
18 April 2006, 04:17 UTC#2
I get what your talking about now dude, nice point, but you do know it may be a little fast for us to adapt to, thats the only problem I see, also, what are we gonna do about oil and power, id say hydrogen powered stuff.
post #3
18 April 2006, 04:20 UTC#3
QUOTE(Karl @ Apr 18 2006, 04:17 AM) [snapback]318767[/snapback]

I get what your talking about now dude, nice point, but you do know it may be a little fast for us to adapt to, thats the only problem I see, also, what are we gonna do about oil and power, id say hydrogen powered stuff.


Dude there is no hole in the ozone layer yet. It's still a theory.

There is no real proof of Global Warming, it was a scare to help people boycott gas back in the day because the prices were so high. Same with why they tried to convince people to walk not drive because it was healtier and cleaner for the enviornment.

Look at us so far? We less body hair, thinner skulls, no use for the appendix or wisdom teeth and are taller. And that was in a relativly short time this all took place.
post #4
18 April 2006, 04:27 UTC#4
I understand what you're saying, but I also believe that we won't adapt as quickly as things change. I mean, I don't think it will happen within our lifetime for sure. But it takes hundreds of years to evolve.
post #5
18 April 2006, 04:29 UTC#5
QUOTE(JohnBorDumB @ Apr 18 2006, 04:27 AM) [snapback]318776[/snapback]

I understand what you're saying, but I also believe that we won't adapt as quickly as things change. I mean, I don't think it will happen within our lifetime for sure. But it takes hundreds of years to evolve.


Exactly, have you ever seen anything about the Galopagos Islands?

Those fuckers evolved as quick as they needed to man.

You either go extinct or survived man, survival of the fittest. If we turn out to not be the fittest well then were boned.

But we shouldn't be trying to save somthing thats been out of our hands for eons.

But things evolve as they need to. Things usually just move slow.
post #6
18 April 2006, 04:32 UTC#6
Yeah, but it's human nature for us to believe that we are the "superior species". So we're going to do everything that we can to try to prevent from fucking things up. I mean, it is a lot of mankinds inventions that have fucked the planet.
post #7
18 April 2006, 04:34 UTC#7
QUOTE(JohnBorDumB @ Apr 18 2006, 04:32 AM) [snapback]318783[/snapback]

Yeah, but it's human nature for us to believe that we are the "superior species". So we're going to do everything that we can to try to prevent from fucking things up. I mean, it is a lot of mankinds inventions that have fucked the planet.


Yeah exactly we should stop giving a damn.

I'm two steps ahead of the game.

post #8
18 April 2006, 04:45 UTC#8
there is a hole in the ozon in antartica, sorry to inform you of this
post #9
18 April 2006, 04:48 UTC#9
QUOTE(Karl @ Apr 18 2006, 04:45 AM) [snapback]318790[/snapback]

there is a hole in the ozon in antartica, sorry to inform you of this


NO THERE ISN'T, IT'S A THEORY.

IT HASN'T HAPPEND YET, IT WILL SOON THOUGH.
post #10
18 April 2006, 04:52 UTC#10
fuck dude, go look at some radar pictures or some shit and you see a big ass hole right around antartica
post #11
18 April 2006, 04:54 UTC#11
QUOTE(Karl @ Apr 18 2006, 04:52 AM) [snapback]318793[/snapback]

fuck dude, go look at some radar pictures or some shit and you see a big ass hole right around antartica


Show me a pictur.

Prove it to me.

I expect those photos on my desk by tuesday johnson. I'm going nighty night.

Secretary, prepare my binky.
post #13
18 April 2006, 04:59 UTC#13
evolution takes millions of years, do you think the green house effect or the ozone shit is going that slow?
post #14
18 April 2006, 05:09 UTC#14
I didnt read alot of this but I saw something about species dieing out, to just point out. We will never die, No species has died only a ceraint characteristic of a certain species has died.

I didnt read alot of this but I saw something about species dieing out, to just point out. We will never die, No species has died only a ceraint characteristic of a certain species has died.
post #15
18 April 2006, 09:12 UTC#15
QUOTE(d889 @ Apr 18 2006, 05:59 AM) [snapback]318798[/snapback]

evolution takes millions of years, do you think the green house effect or the ozone shit is going that slow?



not neccesarily,

just some examples of fast evolution I found googling while researching this :happy:

Pink salmon, Palumbi says, evolved to be 30 percent smaller in two decades. The larger fish got caught in nets, causing a genetic change so their descendants grow more slowly.

Hermit crabs grew larger to fit the shells of bigger snails that were introduced to the Northeast United States. ( Hermit crabs, you'll recall, borrow their shells from other crustaceans as protection against predators).

Male guppies have evolved bright colors because females prefer to mate with neon-bright fish. But when experimenters introduced a predatory fish into a stream in Trinidad, bright male guppies in the stream died and a drab population -- which were harder for predators to find and eat -- evolved. The evolutionary change was far more rapid than normal, Palumbi says.


so evolution doesn't take so long by the looks of it....

also on topic - I like the purdy green trees, also I dont like smog, it fucks with my breathing. I like my air thanks :D
post #16
18 April 2006, 09:17 UTC#16
There are holes in the o-zone layer, and also I think alot of the stuff yuo are saying is stupid. No tim to go into it now though. Back to college!!!
post #17
18 April 2006, 09:38 UTC#17
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I'm Pro Pollution, Are You?


No. Thats just retarded man. I din't even bother reading your 'theory'.
post #18
18 April 2006, 10:26 UTC#18
QUOTE(Mono @ Apr 18 2006, 09:38 AM) [snapback]318877[/snapback]

QUOTE
I'm Pro Pollution, Are You?


No. Thats just retarded man. I din't even bother reading your 'theory'.

same here
post #19
18 April 2006, 12:25 UTC#19
QUOTE(funk master steven @ Apr 18 2006, 04:15 AM) [snapback]318766[/snapback]

What makes us qualified to try and save it, it’s like a child trying to stop himself from growing up.

And what makes us qualified to destroy it?

Doesnt even seem a little bit out of order when the human race, who has only existed for a fraction of the time that the rest of the earth has, starts causing all this pollution jazz then everything else fucks up.
post #20
18 April 2006, 13:15 UTC#20
QUOTE(Mono @ Apr 18 2006, 10:38 AM) [snapback]318877[/snapback]

QUOTE
I'm Pro Pollution, Are You?


No. Thats just retarded man. I din't even bother reading your 'theory'.

Word.
post #21
18 April 2006, 13:19 UTC#21
QUOTE(iammarcmason @ Apr 18 2006, 10:12 AM) [snapback]318866[/snapback]

QUOTE(d889 @ Apr 18 2006, 05:59 AM) [snapback]318798[/snapback]

evolution takes millions of years, do you think the green house effect or the ozone shit is going that slow?



not neccesarily,

just some examples of fast evolution I found googling while researching this :happy:

Pink salmon, Palumbi says, evolved to be 30 percent smaller in two decades. The larger fish got caught in nets, causing a genetic change so their descendants grow more slowly.

Hermit crabs grew larger to fit the shells of bigger snails that were introduced to the Northeast United States. ( Hermit crabs, you'll recall, borrow their shells from other crustaceans as protection against predators).

Male guppies have evolved bright colors because females prefer to mate with neon-bright fish. But when experimenters introduced a predatory fish into a stream in Trinidad, bright male guppies in the stream died and a drab population -- which were harder for predators to find and eat -- evolved. The evolutionary change was far more rapid than normal, Palumbi says.


so evolution doesn't take so long by the looks of it....

also on topic - I like the purdy green trees, also I dont like smog, it fucks with my breathing. I like my air thanks :D


It sounds likemost of those changes came from the other genes dying out. Like the brighter fish got eaten first leaving mainly bland fish which then means there would be an abundance of bland scaled alleles hanging about. Certain humans aren't going to live out others when this shit gets really bad we'll all most likely go at the same stage. Also humans don't exactly mate like animals do do they, they ain't gonna think hmm, that girl may be fat, but she'd sure survive global warming I'ma fuck her silly and have lots of babies.

Which is why I think that although evolution can happen quite quickly in the case of global warming etc. it won't...

I haven't re read this so if it sounds a bit rambly I appologise...
post #22
18 April 2006, 15:38 UTC#22
The green house effect is acting at a much higher rate than evolution dude, the green house effect may take a few hundred years but evolution takes thousands, even millions.
post #23
18 April 2006, 16:50 UTC#23
Evollition takes a long time. Were changing the ozone too quick. I understand your points though but there not based on facts.

And why cant we just live in the world we have for all this time? Why do we need to make nature change just so we can drive cars and fly on holiday all we want? Humans dont have the right to say what lives andwhat died just for our convenience.

But you made some great points! But there very stupid points
post #24
18 April 2006, 16:58 UTC#24
To FMS:

I understand your point and all I have to say is that when the day finally comes that the planet starts doing severe damage to the human race... I hope the human population decreases big time. The biggest problem of all in environmental issues is over population.

Help control the pet population, have your mexicans spade neutered :p

( JUST KIDDING )
post #25
18 April 2006, 19:23 UTC#25
QUOTE(iammarcmason @ Apr 18 2006, 04:12 AM) [snapback]318866[/snapback]

QUOTE(d889 @ Apr 18 2006, 05:59 AM) [snapback]318798[/snapback]

evolution takes millions of years, do you think the green house effect or the ozone shit is going that slow?



not neccesarily,

just some examples of fast evolution I found googling while researching this :happy:

Pink salmon, Palumbi says, evolved to be 30 percent smaller in two decades. The larger fish got caught in nets, causing a genetic change so their descendants grow more slowly.

Hermit crabs grew larger to fit the shells of bigger snails that were introduced to the Northeast United States. ( Hermit crabs, you'll recall, borrow their shells from other crustaceans as protection against predators).

Male guppies have evolved bright colors because females prefer to mate with neon-bright fish. But when experimenters introduced a predatory fish into a stream in Trinidad, bright male guppies in the stream died and a drab population -- which were harder for predators to find and eat -- evolved. The evolutionary change was far more rapid than normal, Palumbi says.


so evolution doesn't take so long by the looks of it....

also on topic - I like the purdy green trees, also I dont like smog, it fucks with my breathing. I like my air thanks :D



how can you compare simple sea life to complex humans ehhe
post #26
18 April 2006, 22:11 UTC#26
Fuck quote thing is fucking up on me so I have to make a broad come back to all of you as opposed to the indiviual ones I originally wrote.

First evolution is this simple.

If the the only humans that survived the second Ice Age (hypothetical) were these people that had a gene that made it easier to live in colder and colder climates. Other humans would die off and they would stay around. Lets say they were black midgets with one eye. Man kind would evolve into Black Midgets with one eye because they survived.

So as the green house effect gradually takes ahold on us, certain humans will die out leaving the ones better built for the new climate around to reproduce similar offspring.

And Karl anyone could make that picture, it's not a real picture thats a computer generated one.

Mono if your not going to read the article then don't most your retarded views on it, same with you Adrian. It's like me saying Despro and Delayed Rection suck so much because of there name I'm not gonnna watch there videos, but still pretend like I have some sort of a say.

post #27
18 April 2006, 22:31 UTC#27
But you cant really be PRO Pollution because that would just be stupid. You have a good point... Maybe some will evolve into something new because of it... But there is really no need for that as it could take millions of years for a earth to live in like we do now to get to this point.

So I think saying your PRO Pollution was wrong
post #28
18 April 2006, 22:31 UTC#28
QUOTE(Karl @ Apr 18 2006, 08:23 PM) [snapback]319095[/snapback]

QUOTE(iammarcmason @ Apr 18 2006, 04:12 AM) [snapback]318866[/snapback]

QUOTE(d889 @ Apr 18 2006, 05:59 AM) [snapback]318798[/snapback]

evolution takes millions of years, do you think the green house effect or the ozone shit is going that slow?



not neccesarily,

just some examples of fast evolution I found googling while researching this :happy:

Pink salmon, Palumbi says, evolved to be 30 percent smaller in two decades. The larger fish got caught in nets, causing a genetic change so their descendants grow more slowly.

Hermit crabs grew larger to fit the shells of bigger snails that were introduced to the Northeast United States. ( Hermit crabs, you'll recall, borrow their shells from other crustaceans as protection against predators).

Male guppies have evolved bright colors because females prefer to mate with neon-bright fish. But when experimenters introduced a predatory fish into a stream in Trinidad, bright male guppies in the stream died and a drab population -- which were harder for predators to find and eat -- evolved. The evolutionary change was far more rapid than normal, Palumbi says.


so evolution doesn't take so long by the looks of it....

also on topic - I like the purdy green trees, also I dont like smog, it fucks with my breathing. I like my air thanks :D



how can you compare simple sea life to complex humans ehhe


well the way some people act, they could be compared to damn trilobites nevermind fish and crabs!
post #29
18 April 2006, 22:33 UTC#29
Dude, you're an idiot, when global warming gets real bad nothing will be able to survive it anyways, I don't think anyways, all the radiation and lack of protection will make the planet like saturn, either way evolution or no evolution, when the sun dies the world's fucked anyways cause it grows so fucking big it will just wipe us all out.
post #30
18 April 2006, 22:43 UTC#30
QUOTE(Doyle @ Apr 18 2006, 10:31 PM) [snapback]319142[/snapback]

So I think saying your PRO Pollution was wrong


That was to draw people in and for humor, of course I'm not pro pollution.

QUOTE(chorus @ Apr 18 2006, 10:33 PM) [snapback]319146[/snapback]

Dude, you're an idiot, when global warming gets real bad nothing will be able to survive it anyways, I don't think anyways, all the radiation and lack of protection will make the planet like saturn, either way evolution or no evolution, when the sun dies the world's fucked anyways cause it grows so fucking big it will just wipe us all out.


You think that nothing will survive? Even though earth survived an Ice Age, as well as the barren primordial soup.

Do you relize the Ozone didn't just happen?

I know things will survive if the Ozone is fucked, but think about it, humans will die out when the ozone gets to bad then when there gone it will get better again.