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post #1
02 February 2005, 10:14 UTC#1
this is my 1st article for the site (www.retardz.co.uk) I have alot of articles to write on the subjects of us (RetardZ) as a group and the whole homegrown scene, basically I get to put my view out & bitch about things.

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anyway I have the flu and cant sleep, its just gone midnight and I'm talking on msn with someone who is also in this homegrown stunt scene who I Admire alot and even tho we are very different people & perform different style of stunts, he reminds me alot of myself from his attitude & views towards the subjects we have touched on, so we was talking about homegrown at this moment in time (1/1/05) and I was thinking what Homegrown DVDs I'm looking forward to this year and after thinking for a few minutes it just hit me, HOMEGROWN IS DYING
so after thinking about the years iv desided to write basically what happened in each year in the homegrown world and my world in My Views in this article


1999 (and before)
all this time random people did stunts, video taped or not, didn't really matter was just something to do for fun and a rush. some good at stunts and some wasn't.
most people didn't want to go anywhere with it or would think it would go anywhere apart from home video shows with clips of people being stupid or things going wrong in bmx & skate videos then basic homegrown stunts start apearing in underground skate videos and dvds. little did anyone know something was going to be changed forever.

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2000
the world gets hit with Jackass debutting on MTV featuring underground stunt men made into one group & a few friends who was along for the ride
this show had the humor of pranks, silly stunts and from time to time the od stunt that which made you think fucking hell....but this happened rarely

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2001
jackass is a worldwide fooonooomanooom (my spelling of this word is better!) love it or hate it everyone knew about it, with good marketing and good personalties of
the show it went bigger then anyone would think BUT the show is hit with lawsuits of copycats fucking stunts up ending in people dying or being very badly injured.
most of them being young kids repeating stunts seen without knowing how to do stunts. people died for being total idiots & jackass was blamed.

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2002
the show was pretty tame as far as stunts went, but now MTV wanted to tame it even more for season 4 as kids was copying and being hurt. the crew declined the contract for the next season(s) because the show would suck & with even more limitations it would be fun and would just be a bad idea. basically after alot of meetings for months it ended in a movie contract which would be a good way to go out with a bang. but while this was happening, groups started showing up on the Internet doing the stunts jackass did and maybe a few new ones, at this point meny groups wasn't as good as jackass & it was just fun for them anyway. at the end of this year when myself (evil-webby) had totally recovered from a stunt injury that had happen to me in 2000, all this time jackass was airing on TV, I was watching it from the sidelines and remembering how much fun it was to do stuff like that, also seeing new things being done and wanting to do them myself. ill get more into this later.

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2003
at the very start of this year, I went to see steve-o when he was in London in his don't try this at home tour, I got to hang out with him for a while backstage after his show, when I walked up to him and shook his hand I pulled his shoulder towards mine as I leaned in as I a went to give him a small hug, he lost his blances like he didn't know what was happening, at that time I knew he was totally wasted and covered in dry blood and in that time I told him "im going to be make a stunt video soon" in which he replied "yeah" and rased his head up and looked me in the eyes and at that time I got the feeling he was thinking "do you really know what your doing" or "oh man, don't sue me" lol little did he know I was pretty good at doing stunts already I then handed back his warm beer that he asked me to hold while he signed my steve-o vol 1 cover. he then went to drink it and relised that I had drunk half of it. and left him alittle bit in the bottom and he said "hey you drunk my beer" in a annoyed tone of voice. I stated "you said on stage we can get drunk with you backstage" he then told me the bad news "ah yeah man, but they need everyone out the building by 11:30....sorry" after that my smile dropped and I knew my night with steve was about to end. so I had to say my good byes, I said awesome show anyway man and smiled & shook his hand again and turned around and walked towards the fire exit, when he shouted "Hey!" I looked round and he said "thanks for looking out for them girls, that was real cool of you!" and I said "huh..oh yeah..." and waved by and walked out, I geuss I should say what happened with the girls, well basically in his show I was in the 2nd row at, and infront of me was 2 girls around the age of 18-19,I had never talked to them before and when steve came out after around an hour of waiting & listening to a shitty band called the Kennedy soundtrack....as his music hit and he came out busting a beer can on his head...the whole fucking floor of the london apollo wanted to be at the front right up close. everyone at the front was getting crushed up against the metal gard rails & eachother, so me being a gentlemen, I put my arms on the rails both sides of the two girl and tense my arms and stretched out so they was protected, but it half way into the show had to let go due to the strain on my grip, and being so crushed I let go and no one was giving up they still all wanted to get to the front, me being a small guy I managed to get knocked and pushed back to around the 5/6 row, I never saw the 2 girls after that so I never got a thank you from them, but it was even better getting one by steve-o as he really cares about his fans and I was amazed he at he even noticed I was stopping 2 random girls from being crushed for half the show aswell as performing some great stunts,while ryan dunn just stood at the side of the stage and drunk from a green bottle lol. but yeah back to the world of homegrown this year had groups showing up from all over the world, meny still with the same copycat jackass stunt style. alot of groups got good and had molded into there own style but would soon lose intrest and die out forever. some with a homemade dvd and some without. but most was just wannabes & looked at jackass as cool and wanted to be cool themselves and have fun with it...as my injury was not holding me back anymore and I had met 2 people who had already was in a homegrown group, I desided to get a dv camera with my savings,I then got a group of friends/any one who was interested in filming with me, what we did for 6months was basic stuff but I wanted more, I knew me and few members had what it takes to do alot more. so we got a new real camera. and started planing to make a better group and a better video. also dropped alot of people from filming with us who didn't have what it takes, and also met 2 people who would make us the group we are now, without them retardz wouldn't be half the group it is.

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2004
the homegrowns that was good in 2003 are get better by having a style to there own group. very different to the jackass style. I would even go as far as to say most groups was alot more interesting and entertaining then jackass. but was still at a stage they was still learning the art. this is also the year we filmed so much awesome stuff we knew we was one of the best groups going, it sounds big headed but iv been doing stunts from as far back as I can remember & when jackass hit I was watching it like a hawk...studying it if you will. when. I now know good footage when I see it, I see the difference between good & bad content, I also must have the biggest collection of Homegrown/Stunt DVDs and I still need to get aload more (when I get a job maybe)
this year as the year I knew retardz if ever got a real dvd deal we could outdo most of the stunt videos selling right now,

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2005
has alot of groups on there last legs, they have run out of ideas & new things to film, repeating alot of stunts they did before. growning bored of the scene and I can see this year alot of groups dying, making way for the newish up and coming groups. very few big top groups at this moment in time. us on the other hand who are very creative and have so much more to film, so you wont be seeing us giving up that eazy. we will be around for years to come (I HOPE LOL)

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if I could described what RetardZ is from viewing the collection of footage over the past year (2004) & not over reacting it would be
"Evil Actions" "Outrageous Behavior" "Brutal Stunts" "Dark In Substance" "Talented Artists" "Intense Bizarre Humor" "Absolutely Pure Random Enterment"
they are the reasons why we will one day get a dvd deal, thats what we're aiming for, and I believe one day we will get it!

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CONT vvvvv
post #2
02 February 2005, 10:15 UTC#2
so after all this thinking & typing ill get back to my 1st original plan..which was thinking of the homegrown DVDs im looking foward to this year



SPDST Vol 2 - we're going hard these days
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http://www.SPDST.COM

Muppets
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http://www.muppetsnet.tk

No Mercy (2nd Video)
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http://nomercyvideo.com


Ryan 13 VS Dan-G - The Hardcore Conicals
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http://www.ryan13.tk
http://www.dangonline.tk

Boredom Induced Season 3
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http://www.boredominduced.com

RetardZ//Vol 1:Let The Kaos Begin?
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haha I wish!............
http://www.retardz.co.uk



peace

EVIL-WEBBY


p,s, let me know if there is any big spelling errors or things dont sound right, I wrote this from 12 till around 4. still not had any steep and its 10 now so me checkin it over is askin a drunk person to make sure they walk straight

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post #3
02 February 2005, 10:26 UTC#3
Good effort, that must have been a bitch to write! Meeting Steve O that's fucking awesome!

How come you got Jackass season 1? I thought it was never released?!

Do you know if there is a trailer for SPDST 2, or if so where?

I hope that before it's released we can add MUPPETS Follow Thru to your list of wanted dvds!
post #4
02 February 2005, 10:26 UTC#4
very good read....and dont count us out yet.....there is always a quiet before the storm....
post #5
02 February 2005, 10:36 UTC#5
only vol 2 & 3 of jackass (the best of) is out. I have bootlegs of all seasons on dvds, thats why there is 5 jackass dvds next to each other.

meeting steve-o was awesome I just want to meet him again and show him what happend with that "im making a stunt video soon" I dont think he will even remember but somthing to talk about, I met & talked to bam & jenn the same year, but I wrote loads for 03 so I didnt inclued that.

they did have a trailer but it was taken down due to mass downloading, will be up again im sure.

I havnt seen much muppet stuff and dont know if it will be on my got to get list, but ill prolly end up getting it to check out anyways. when do you think it will be ready?

and yes it was a bitch to write but atlest its out the way now lol. I kept talking about stuff in the wrong years and things, was hard to remember when and what happend. but I think I got most of it right.
post #6
02 February 2005, 10:39 UTC#6
Retardz you should make a dvd because loads ov people would buy it including me

Also muppets when is your dvd going to be realesed because I also will buy that as well
and hi 0li
post #7
02 February 2005, 10:39 UTC#7
QUOTE (urbanwarriors @ Feb 2 2005, 10:39 AM) Retardz you should make a dvd because loads ov people would buy it including me

Also muppets when is your dvd going to be realesed because I also will buy that as well
and hi 0li


Hello ben ad yeah I agree with be bring out a dvd it will sell brilliantly
post #8
02 February 2005, 10:40 UTC#8
That was great man. Its nice to see someone give such an in depth, how they feel review, you put it in a lot of detail, and wrote it with care.

I agree with a lot of what you said, although the homegrown scene seems to go in stages, on then off, and has done since the start of this place. ATM I'd say most HG's are working on the faceoff.

It would kinda suck if the HG scene died, but I doubt that'll come soon, and quitters deserve to be shot. Nice to see your in depth view on things webbay
post #9
02 February 2005, 10:46 UTC#9
QUOTE (urbanwarriors @ Feb 2 2005, 10:39 AM) Retardz you should make a dvd because loads ov people would buy it including me

Also muppets when is your dvd going to be realesed because I also will buy that as well
and hi 0li

Just wanted to say, they have been working on their DVD for like 2 years already biggrin.gif
post #10
02 February 2005, 10:48 UTC#10
QUOTE (EVIL-WEBBY @ Feb 2 2005, 10:36 AM) only vol 2 & 3 of jackass (the best of) is out. I have bootlegs of all seasons on dvds, thats why there is 5 jackass dvds next to each other.

meeting steve-o was awesome I just want to meet him again and show him what happend with that "im making a stunt video soon" I dont think he will even remember but somthing to talk about, I met & talked to bam & jenn the same year, but I wrote loads for 03 so I didnt inclued that.

they did have a trailer but it was taken down due to mass downloading, will be up again im sure.

I havnt seen much muppet stuff and dont know if it will be on my got to get list, but ill prolly end up getting it to check out anyways. when do you think it will be ready?

and yes it was a bitch to write but atlest its out the way now lol. I kept talking about stuff in the wrong years and things, was hard to remember when and what happend. but I think I got most of it right.

Hopefully dvd will be out in summer holidays sum time. And also yeah definately get the Retardz dvd out, cos I will be buying that.

Also what's your msn? Or if you don't wanna give it out could you PM me. Cheers.
post #12
02 February 2005, 14:20 UTC#12
most excellent article webby, I really think you dudes will get a dvd deal, but that article was pretty indepth for a subject that is viewed a stupid
post #13
02 February 2005, 15:55 UTC#13
I enjoyed that article, alot of true things said.

Im sure you will be suprised with the Muppets dvd if you buy it.
post #14
02 February 2005, 16:30 UTC#14
Yeah nice article.

I really gotta get a load of homegrown DVDs, I just never have the money.
post #15
02 February 2005, 16:32 UTC#15
what I have noticed is every group is waiting for something new. They dont want to just go from doing stunts to doing serious small movies. They still want something with what they used to do before. Currently we're seeing groups with a mix of the old jackass stunts, le parkour inspired jumps and skits inspired by TV shows or something. Editing gets picked up from group to group. Through the years the editing of homegrown groups has really been improved.. from slow and boring clips with better stunts, most clips (nowadays) are very fast, loads of (not-so-sick) stunts and fast music.

In some way the community has improved.. in some way it has all been getting a little boring and lazy down here.

Im spending my days trying to find the perfect formula of something new and refreshing which would make you people say: WOW, DAMN THATS THE FUCKING SHIT. I ask u guys to do the same. Try something new and see how people react. Maybe people will say: damn your gay, but maybe they'll get used to it after a while. I mean, look at Jackass.. if they would be underground and unprofessional and you'd see 25-year olds doing weird stunts u would think WTF IS THIS? But after a few shows and positive reactions from others u start to like it.. and voila.. something new has been born.
post #16
02 February 2005, 16:38 UTC#16
THis should be in articles also, moved.
post #18
02 February 2005, 21:07 UTC#18
good job man!
wish I have been on the scene as long as you.
post #19
02 February 2005, 21:29 UTC#19
I can't help but think of a gnome when I see that first picture. Good review but any one can count themselves as the best by comparing them to other homegrowns. Get well soon.
post #21
02 February 2005, 21:36 UTC#21
LMAO, there's Mats.

I don't drink cider, I hate it with a passion.

Still though, BTD, woo....
post #23
02 February 2005, 22:10 UTC#23
QUOTE (chris_fragile @ Feb 2 2005, 09:29 PM) any one can count themselves as the best by comparing them to other homegrowns. QUOTE Retardz you should make a dvd because loads ov people would buy it including me


QUOTE I agree with be bring out a dvd it will sell brilliantly


im not looking for sales, I just want the best dvd I can make. in witch it is in the works but a dvd deal would speed things up alot.

QUOTE That was great man. Its nice to see someone give such an in depth, how they feel review, you put it in a lot of detail, and wrote it with care.


thanks man, I will reword it for the site if I have time. this was just a tired ramble lol

QUOTE Just wanted to say, they have been working on their DVD for like 2 years already


yeah you tell them nicca! but infact the footage from this year alone could make 3 or 4 dvds packed with everything you could ever want lol. BUT we're gunna get the best of the best and make 2 from that and all the killer footage to come.


QUOTE most excellent article webby, I really think you dudes will get a dvd deal, but that article was pretty indepth for a subject that is viewed a stupid


I know you mean well but you really dont know what your talking about, all you have seen is a few mix up clips and some skits you have no idea whats on the tapes kept in my room....no idea at all ;)

and dude thats my 1st ever article, I have soo much I need and want to say, and it dont matter how gay or egotistic this sounds, but I have a following of people who like to see my view on things. I never pland it or wanted it but it didnt happen over night, again I have alot of haters who dont agree with my views, but thats good because I liked to see other peoples views, but if they dont shear them with me then im geussing they was just hating on me for other reasons.

QUOTE I enjoyed that article, alot of true things said.

Im sure you will be suprised with the Muppets dvd if you buy it.


glad you did and well lets just say my views on your group have been changed.


QUOTE Yeah nice article.

I really gotta get a load of homegrown DVDs, I just never have the money.


reason why im missing about 10 from my collection...money troubles.

QUOTE THis should be in articles also, moved.


had no idea we even had a articles forum.

QUOTE wish I have been on the scene as long as you


you would have been like 4 right? lol jk. yeah its been long but fun and iv learnt alot, and what I have lernt is what has kept me here. its great


QUOTE that was a good article, I actually took my time reading it. 

you should make a bibliography in the future...


ah see I started replying before I even saw your post. you was intrested in what I had to say, so u took that time to read it. it was long and I bet I repeated myself alot but you still finished it.

and yeah I wouldnt do one on myself but would do one on retardz and me and jaymz stunts and pranks all the way up untill retardz, that would be funny to read and id enjoy doing it also. but would be like 5pages long.


thanks for every one who read this, means alot, I wasnt sure if people would think "oh great a dyslexic asshole know it all thinks he knows everything now and has wrote a big article......who does he think he is"


well if you did think that


IM EVIL-WEBBY BITCH!


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post #24
02 February 2005, 22:13 UTC#24
QUOTE I know you mean well but you really dont know what your talking about, all you have seen is a few mix up clips and some skits you have no idea whats on the tapes kept in my room....no idea at all ;)


then I can't wait to see the rest of your shit

n damn
post #25
02 February 2005, 22:23 UTC#25
QUOTE (funk_master_steven @ Feb 2 2005, 10:13 PM) QUOTE I know you mean well but you really dont know what your talking about, all you have seen is a few mix up clips and some skits you have no idea whats on the tapes kept in my room....no idea at all ;)


then I can't wait to see the rest of your shit

I wasnt being an ass when I said that (I just reread it and it sounded like I was), but yeah, I want a dvd that will blow people away and somthing I can be proud of for the rest of my life....I know im not going to have a normal boring life EVER. iv been on this earth 20years already and its been far from normal and very different to everyones around me. External image not preserved — inspect source: http://homegrownforums.com/html/emoticons/Copy of happy.gif its awesome
post #26
02 February 2005, 22:30 UTC#26
don't worry I dig it

QUOTE and yeah I wouldnt do one on myself but would do one on retardz and me and jaymz stunts and pranks all the way up untill retardz, that would be funny to read and id enjoy doing it also. but would be like 5pages long.


id like to read that

what I meant earlier is I like what you have so far alot cause it's pretty crazy and you guys will probably make thing that are even crazier but if I had to base my opionion on your group from what iv'e seen so far I think you guys deserve a dvd deal or at least more coverage than most groups I've seen,

also you have a shit load of hg dvd's and I thought I had a big collectio
post #27
03 February 2005, 00:20 UTC#27
Good article webby.
post #28
03 February 2005, 07:46 UTC#28
Well I really do hope it works out for you man. if anyone on here can do it its you. But I got this idea you might like so ill contact you on MSN... Its a strange on though....
post #30
03 February 2005, 13:28 UTC#30
Nice article, Marc. Refreshing to read "intteligent" text about hg.

Where was that stunt gone wrong Oh, I see taken? Is it really a hg stunt?

Anyway your dvd collection and new sig are beutiful.